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Help! Just had Fat graft Under Eyes!

Help! Just had Fat graft Under Eyes!

Postby ChristyinCalifornia » Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:44 pm

For those of you who know my story and those who don't, I had all sorts of PS last spring including a totally unnecessary U/L eye lift. I spent a year going to every top ocularplastic and fat grafting specialist, I don't think I missed anyone.

Just a few days ago, almost on the anniversay date of my PS nightmare, I had fat grafting to my lower eyelids. Now I feel like I have lumps like rocks all along my lower orbital socket on both sides. Has anyone gone through this? Is this what it's supposed to feel like? I think it is practically pressing on my eyeball from the inside! I don't know if it's fat or scar tissue which has formed around the fat. Please someone tell me if this is normal or if it goes away very fast! One would have though fat grafts would be all soft and mushy, not causing hard lumps! Please help before I lose my mind!

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Postby Suzanna » Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:09 pm

Hi Christy,
This one I can help you with. The hardness is swelling. It takes at least 2 weeks for the swelling from a FG to go down. I had the same thing. Do they look ok? The swelling always feels really hard to the touch, but it will soften up. People don't tell you about how long "swelling" lasts, but it can linger for weeks. Please don't worry or panic. Take it from one who's been there - me! I saw Dr. Donofrio in CT and they told me not to even try to judge anything until two weeks were up. Who did your work, if you don't mind my asking? Where did they take the harvest from? I remember Dr. D. doing one spot and it just bulged out for weeks (under my eye - second FG). I thought it was gonna be there forever, but it gradually came down. It's swelling,,, try not to worry, ok? Suz
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Postby cherrycoke » Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:15 pm

Yeah I wanna know too, Who did you get the FG from??

I just got back from my 3rd injection from Donofrio about 5 days ago. I didn't take Sinecch or iced this time. (I forgot the icepads things I usually take to the hotel) I am a lot more swollen than I was the other two times and this was my smallest injection. The swelling is always hard the first few days. Right now I look like I have a shelf under my eye it's so swollen. Like you, its hard and looks kind of strange and lumpy. I'm not too worried because the last two times she did such a wonderful job. Also the eye that has the big lump on it is the one she put LESS fat in, so I'm pretty sure it's just usual swelling. Suzanne is right, the fat doesn't feel hard. It's sorta of squishy and fluffy. Donofrio's office told me the same thing to me that the swelling usually lasts up to 2 weeks. Also don't tweak out and try massaging it. It's probably very swollen and you don't want to jiggle that fat around too much at the beginning because I heard that might lead to poorer retention.
I'm definitely going to do SinEcch next time and ice the first 2 days because I am like 3 times as swollen as the first time and she injected much less this time.

Don't freak out yet. It's way way too soon.
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Yes Donofrio

Postby ChristyinCalifornia » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:50 am

Yes Cherry and Suzanna, I went to Donofrio also. I think I'm a difficult case because my original PS did fat repositioning to move it farther away from under my eyes, so my hollow area is right under my lower lashes. That's why Hoenig didn't recommend fat grafting using the Coleman method for me, instead he wanted to stitch pearl grafts behind there. I had heard so many good things about Donofrio and nothing negative at all (not that I've heard anything bad about Hoenig either), but the idea of fat pearls from my belly button behind my eyes just terrified me.

So I went to Donofrio on Friday, I can't tell yet how it will turn out except I feel a pressing on my eye on the inside on one side that's druving me crazy. That's the side that needed more filling, so my best hope is that it is swelling which will eventually go down. I also look like I have a shelf under both my eyes, I hope that's part of the swelling that will subside. Do you guys know if the frozen fat has as good a retention rate as the fresh fat she takes? Any other secrets to success?
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Two more quick questions

Postby ChristyinCalifornia » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:59 am

What is Sinecch and where do you get it? I think she gave me arnica montana for swelling.

Secondly, she took the fat from my midsection and butt but she liked the fat from my butt better and used it and not the other. Now I have to admit I have a little bit lopsided butt since she took it only from one side. Anyone know if this hole will fill in or if you are permanently lopsided? (They said I was lopsided on the other side before, which I hadn't noticed, but now that I have this indentation on the new side I definitely notice it.) I am thinking I may need some special type of post PS massage to even it out
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SUZANNA, DID THE FAT GRAFTING HELP ROUNDNESS?

Postby midolci » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:20 am

Hi, It's been a while since I've been on here. While having a lower bleph revision with alloderm I stupidly decided to have an upper lid bleph (should have done without it). The surgery, by one of the supposed TOP in the country, completely changed my beautiful almond eyes to round, droopy eyes. Anyway, I read you had fat grafting by Donofrio. I've heard so much about her but I'm so afraid at this point. Did the fat grafting make your eyes look less round? I was thinking if I had fat grafted in the upper lids it might push them down and make them look less round.

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Postby April27 » Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:00 am

I also have the same problem as midolci. So I'm curious too! April
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Postby cherrycoke » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:27 pm

Im really surprised that you aren't happy with your lipo with Donofrio. She did a wonderful job with mine.
Give it a little time.

Kristy is sounds like you have swelling and it's expected. I'm on day 6 and I still am too. Sinecch is arnica but I think its a bigger dose. They give you a set of the pills and you take it at different times. Those shelves will disappear. I've had them before and they did go away but this time they seemed bigger and lasted longer, probably due to not taking arnica or icing. Today my big one has deflated a bit, but it's still pretty big. I bet it looks better today than it did yesterday, doesn't it?? This is your first injection. Believe me in a month or two your going to be looking at your eyes wishing less fat had disappeared and looking forward to your next treatment. I'm not sure about the pressing. I've never felt anythiing like that. Maybe she used more fat than me and it's more swollen or something? Do you know how many syringes she used on you? I haven't noticed a difference in the first fat and the frozen. But then again...I haven't had fat long enough to really know how long it retains. Personally I think more of my second graft stuck than the first. But she builds it up. It's like she keeps spreading more frosting on the cupcake little by little until it thickens up to where its suppose to.

Midolci I didn't have a lot of rounding, but I did suffer some from my bleph as well as slight drooping at the ends. The fat definitely has lifted them up and made them a bit more almond shaped. Very improved in my opinion.
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Donofrio Fat Grafts

Postby ChristyinCalifornia » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:24 pm

Hi guys, to say I'm unhappy with Donofrio's fat grafting isn't accurate. What I am is traumatized by my previous PS disaster and scared to death. This time around I avoided mirrors for three whole days, too terrified to see what I looked like for fear it would send me into another awful depression.

I too wish I had never had either an Upper or Lower bleph and miss my almond shaped eyes. Donofrio didn't put fat in my uppers or temples this time, she preferred to focus on the lowers and take it from there. However, I will say that filling in the hollow areas underneath seems to make them appear less round even though the actual shape hasn't changed. Having those dark rings underneath was just accentuating the roundness. She also did something with the fat to make my outer corners crease upward slightly like they used to, apparently the lower bleph had made them droopy in the corners. One guy on New Years Eve this year came up to me and told me he had seen me from across the room and wanted to go up and talk to the girl with the sad eyes...

While I'm still swollen, so far the verdict from my friends seems to be that this is better, I look softer and less stark (the stark part was killing me). I'm hoping that on a future visit adding fat to the temples will help make my uppers look more almond shaped. Right now I think I'm too scared to contemplate fat to the uppers, for fear it would lift my crease higher which is the opposite of what I want. I just don't know how these things work...

In the meantime I am waiting to see what happens when the swelling goes down and how much fat stays, keeping my fingers crossed and saying prayers...

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Postby cherrycoke » Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:38 pm

Christy, sounds like you are feeling a little better today. :)
Yeah hang in there. I was scare sh*tless going in the first time because I had been so mortified after my bleph. But I figured , she can't screw me up any more than he did. You and I talked before and seriously I was devasted before visiting Donofrio. I really think if anybody can help you with fat grafting. It's her. Right now I sound like some Donofrio cult member or something, but she really did help bring back my eyes.

Midolci, I never got any fat put in on the top ,but I know that just putting extra fat under my eyes and upper cheeks have seemed to push my eyes up back to a natural almond shape and bring up the corners higher than they were after surgery.
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Postby Suzanna » Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:54 pm

Hey All,
I did have FG to my uppers after a horrible bleph. She injected it out toward the edges of my uppers (where I once had it). So far, 18 months later, much of it has stayed. However, a lot has dissipated and I need to go back. My eyes also got really round with my bleph and it BUGS the crap out of me. It's worse on certain days, depending on how much fluid I'm retaining. I understand this is b/cuz fat was taken from behind the orbital rim, so we "roundies" have an orbital flat tire (to quote ******'s site). The real answer is prob pearl fat grafting but right now I'm too scared to go through that, so I'll prob seek out Dr. D. in the next few weeks. I need SOMEthing. My husband is convinced that my eyes look "fine" and is giving me a major hard time about seeing her or anyone about fixing them. Christy/Cherry = let us know how it goes. Gotta give it 2 weeks. Christy, I think you'd like what Dr. D. can do with the uppers. My uppers were "skeletal" and she rounded them out. It did NOT raise my brows at all. She can pretty much do anything you ask her to do with fat. The temples also help to pull the eye outward for a more elongated look. Still, it's hard fixing those rounded eyes. I really think down the road I'll need a canthoplasty for that... take care, girls.. Suzanna
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Postby Indiana » Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:44 am

Thx for sharing guys - this info is all really helpful to me before my own coleman fat transfer on June 5th (eeek)!

Jane Olver (my surgeon) doesn't store fat as she doesn't have the facilities and she says she tries to get it right first time by overdoing the fat ... and I'm wondering how come you guys need to have the fat transfer done 3 times (ie Cherry) etc and each time it takes two weeks to settle .. what's going to happen to me ...? Am I going to look like a chipmunk with fat bulging eyes for 2 weeks after surgery? I'm feeling extremely nervous especially considering I'm supposed to attend a yoga workshop just under 3 weeks from surgery, and also that the time I'm hoping to not wear my wig though for the yoga workshop I wouldn't wear the wig anyway as it'd probably fall off (grins).

Suz, my left upper is also beginning to hollow out, though the photos don't show it much ... that crinkly look is disappearing only cos the hollow is getting deeper - to show how much fat he took away I assume. At times it really depresses me though I'm hanging in there.

p/s Cherry, I still need to go look at that yes they're fake site re fat transfers ... must do my homework! No time yet ... :)

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Postby cherrycoke » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:14 am

I've heard with the Coleman type fat transfer that you do look very swollen and overfilled for some time after. Especially people who go to Coleman. The Coleman style is overfill. He over fills you to compensate for the fat that will not retain. Donofrio does the gradual thing. She keeps layering it. You don't look as odd for very long but you have to go back for several refills to get to where you want. From what I 've read on the other board, treatment usually is 4-9 times. Think if you were getting all that put in at once. I wouldn't plan on too many social events after your fatgraft if you are doing the Coleman method. :cry:
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Postby Indiana » Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:02 pm

cherrycoke wrote:I've heard with the Coleman type fat transfer that you do look very swollen and overfilled for some time after. Especially people who go to Coleman. The Coleman style is overfill. He over fills you to compensate for the fat that will not retain. Donofrio does the gradual thing. She keeps layering it. You don't look as odd for very long but you have to go back for several refills to get to where you want. From what I 've read on the other board, treatment usually is 4-9 times. Think if you were getting all that put in at once. I wouldn't plan on too many social events after your fatgraft if you are doing the Coleman method. :cry:


Thx Cherry ... I have a lump in my throat and my stomach feels all knotted thinking about it ... yikes! It seems I may look like puffy swollen eyes for a while that hurt .... oh dear! I've booked 3 weeks and 1 day off work as annual leave and I've a yoga workshop at the end of the third week and I'm hoping that I'll be fit enough and presentable enough to attend that workshop.

I did mention it to Jane and she said I'd be fine; though I want to ask her again as if I won't be, then I will cancel my workshop; thou goodness knows what I'll do when I go back to work if I'm looking all puffed up in my eyes .... hopefully make up will help.

I see Jane at the end of next month, April 26th, to discuss what exactly we're going to be doing for my lower eyelid reconstruction, fat transfer to upper and lower ..... hopefully this will be my last surgery ever as right now, I've had enough of invasive surgery. I'm mentally and emotionally done and wiped out on this one .... and I feel Suz is really brave for going through all she's gone through. It's been a learning experience and knowing what I know now, I certainly would have done things differently.

The price I'm paying for the Coleman fat transfer is £1,800 and this is not including hospital fees. It was really hard when I couldn't shut my eyes after my brow lift and upper eyelid reconstruction and I'm feeling sooo nervous about how my eyes will feel when fat has been transferred into my lowers and uppers .... yikes ... there goes those knots and butterflies in my stomach again ....

Thx Cherry :)

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Postby cherrycoke » Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:44 pm

Oh Im sure Jane knows better how swollen you will be then I do! :) That's awesome. I'm just sorta repeating some of the stuff I heard on the other board, but most of this big time swollen people were getting a lot of fat put in all over their face.
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