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I just booked an appt with doctor h***** in los angeles and its a ONE MONTH wait list. i guess thats the results when you are the #1 recommendd surgeon for eye fillers. I will be getting restalyne and radiessse
LadyLaser21, have you had both Juvederm and Restylane and that's why you prefer Resty? Just curious. Was it for the tear trough portion of your eyes? Can you tell me about the recovery (bruising, swelling, for how long)? I'm thinking of doing this too. What is "bogginess"? Thanks
@shesofake: I have gotten PMMA under the eyes and it worked great. THe general consensus is that you should get only 10% PMMA under the eyes to give a smooth look, and that is what I got, 1 cc per side. My left eye was worse than my right, and I had to have a second injection 2 months later to balance it out so 2 cc's total of 10% PPMA on the left.
I had gotten Restayne previously under the eyes and had been very disappointed, partly because , imo, the Doctor doing the injecting didn't inject deep enough. And partly because (maybe I have thin skin) the restylane gives me a yellow, jaundiced look, to my skin.
Randy44, I can't believe I found another person with yellowing from filler under the eye. Mine looks like melted candle wax which covers the former eye bags, which is still nice, but not a good look at hiding them. The next doc told me the stuff wasn't injected deep enough, and I have thin skin also. The next doc wants to melt the resty but I am afraid it will not turn out well. From what I read sometimes it turns out looking really bad. Trouble is my resty has lasted over a year now and I wonder how long it will take to go away. The doc will not reinject until the existing stuff is gone.
Went back to the doctor for eyebrow botox check-up and to get my first restylane injection by him. He touched up the eyebrows, and they look really good -- now they are totally symmetrical. I had posted before about my "candlewax" result from restylane under my eyes from a different doctor. The new doctor said the yellowing (that Randy44 and I talked about) of the candlewax was not from bilirubin, but from Tindle(sp)? Effect, a combination of facial anatomy and optics, mainly involving light reflection. He really wants to melt the restylane under my eyes because it's not injected deeply enough. I told him I'm not yet willing to undergo the risks, but would rather wait a few more months to see if it goes away. Once it's gone, from whatever method, I plan to have the area injected properly. I had restylane from my former doctor in the lower face, so assumed he would be proficient with the upper face. This was my mistake. For example, make sure if you want n/l fold injected, the doc had experience with that area. If you want under the eyes done, get a doc who has experience and good results with that area. I knew the eye area was more difficult than the lower face but I did not realize how much different. The restylane in my lower face is one week old. I have a small bruise left on my chin, but the result is worth it. He also did "dots" of injection in different areas of my cheeks, probably to help the eyelid area where it looks the worst, and around my nose. My family also is so happy with my result. With the botox and restylane, they told me I look at least 10 years younger. Also, this doctor wants to see his restylane and botox patients 2 weeks post and will touch up if necessary. This service, to me, is above and beyond. My former doc just gave me the injection and whatever you get, you get. Although my former doc did a great job with my mac-s-lift and under chin lipo as well, I can see even more that he was underpar with the injections. My current doctor is Dr. Wulc in Plymouth Meeting. My mom and I are both considering having cheek lifts by him in the future.
I had both Restylane and Juvederm in my tear trough. Finding an expert injector is key. It took over 6 weeks to get it right. The first time my PS injected this area with Juvederm, which caused lumps and bags. This was dissolved and re-injected with Restylane. It was quite a lenghty process. Retylane is a better filler for this area. Radiesse is NOT a proper dermal filler for under the eye area. Be very cautious about using Radiesse in this area. I would not advise it. Now it has been 7 months since I had the filler. One eye still looks better than the other. And at time my malar bags look puffy which is a sign that perhaps the filler was not positioned deep enough and caused this area to puff up. It is great when the injection is done properly. Good Luck.
What did your doc do for your brows - and where did he inject? What would you say made the most difference in making you look younger (brows, filler in cheeks, etc.)? A litle over a month ago both me and my husband had Juve placed under our eyes, mine for deep tear troughs, my husband to conceal bags. My husband's looked good after but it wasn't enough. Mine never really showed much difference so obviously not enough was used. Last Monday, 5 days ago we had more. My husband went to the same doctor who used Restylane this time. His eyes look really good so far. I went to another doctor (oculoplastic surgeon who specializes in fillers) and added more Juvederm for my tear troughs. So far we both look equally as good. My doc also injected my mouth to "lift" the corners a little bit. At first the injection site was a little swollen and you could see the "dots" where he injected. 5 days later, I see a small lump on the right side. I'm not sure if this is still swelling or a permanent lump. You mention that you still see a bruise on your chin one week post-filler. Do you also see a little swelling or anything else? I'm a little concerned about the lump but wondering if at 5 days this can be expected. My doc also injected my cheeks and my nose where I had too much of a ski-sloped nose and that looks great, no problems at all. Where did he do dots of injection for your cheeks? My doc placed a little juve around the outer corner of my eyes near the cheekbones where there was small indentions or hollowing so I'm wondering if this is the area you're talking about. As for Juve vs. Restylane for under eyes, I think it's really more the injector experience and what he feels more comfortable with than the filler itself. Definitely don't use Radiesse for this area.
PhilaSkeptic wrote:Went back to the doctor for eyebrow botox check-up and to get my first restylane injection by him. He touched up the eyebrows, and they look really good -- now they are totally symmetrical. I had posted before about my "candlewax" result from restylane under my eyes from a different doctor. The new doctor said the yellowing (that Randy44 and I talked about) of the candlewax was not from bilirubin, but from Tindle(sp)? Effect, a combination of facial anatomy and optics, mainly involving light reflection.
Thanks for the feedback PhilaSkeptic. I had read about the Tyndall effect previously. I do not buy it. For starters the Tyndall effect, because of wave length physics, produces bluish refractions of light, and to a lesser extent green, but not yellow. It seems to me as if the Tyndall effect is just something the dermal filler makers latched upon to explain a phenomenon they didn't have an explanation for. I am not saying my hypothesis is correct, just that I do not believe that the yellow color is from the Tyndall effect.
Looks like two of us chatting on this now have had good results (plus the hubby), which is great news and two have not yet. Randy, are you going to get your resty melted or just wait until it dissolves? I really want to see how long mine lasts since it's been a little over a year now for my touch up on the eye area. (Not counting the first one. For all I know it dissolved). Wondering how long it can really last under the eyes. Since I already had a yellow patch on my upper eyelid which was chalked up as Gilbert's Disease, I think you are right. Once the resty is dissolved, I think I'll find out for sure once the resty is dissolved. If the yellow remains, I may have to get a regular medical opinion. I will continue posting regularly here.
T begin addressing your questions and suggestions:
I heard juve. is not good for under the eyes. How high on the face juve is ok I don't know. I haven't heard. The first doc wanted to inject radiesse after the dissolving material but I wouldn't have that used there in foreseeable future because I don't know enough about it. I will stick with restylane anywhere around the eyes until there's lots of evidence that something else is better. Eventually, I will probably have a small cheek or midface lift and use injections there only as a supplemental.
The botox was actually dysport, I was told at my last visit. For the brows, it was injected in what felt like a line pattern above the outer half of both eyebrows. There were no injections in the part of the forehead where those lines basically form. The eyebrow that was angled too far up has come down nicely and they look close to being perfectly symmmetrical, which they were not to being with, so I'm happy.
Filler in the N/L folds and marionette lines did more for me than the dysport. I had those dots at the injection sites. It was a bit red, a little bloody, bruised, etc, when I left the office. By the next morning, the dots were much lighter, and the bruising is gradually getting lighter. I haven't seen any lumps but I feel a large, flat one about 1/2 inch away from the side of my nose. I have post-op instructions and info and it's normal to have lumps. My instructions say you can massage the lumps daily until they go away, but also that you can wait for the doc to evaluate (since I will have a check-up). Also when I wrinkle my nose (I know I shouldn't do this), it feels a little achy in the general area of the lump. Every once in a while I have a very short lived, very slight, headache, right over the brow bones. I will tell the doc about this.
The injects were shot in different areas near my nose and cheeks. Reminded me of little sticks. I don't know exactly where, but they were tiny and rather lightning fast. Mom says my eye area looks a little better blended in with the cheeks now, so maybe this is why.
The best way I can explain the eye area resty, is to imagine a subtle, rather flat blister in a cresent shape, I can feel a slight, little lump about 1/2 inch away from the eye corner. It forms the beginning of a line of demarcation which gradually blends in with the skin at the other end of the cresent. The resty also feels blistery to the touch. It feels like water under the skin -- sort of spongy or foamy. Maybe what I now have are malar bags. I'm not sure what they are, but I saw actress Judy Densch on tv recently and she has the same thing I have. Not like eye bags, but dark lines horizontally at the top of the cheeks, each line about 1 inch long. It's not as aging as eye bags, but it is aging, so I will be happy to see them go, once I'm satisfied that I learned something about how long resty in this area can last.
I've had a total of 5 injections of filler and "botox" once, so no doubt I am now a regular with injectables so I will try to get back to this board soon.
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