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Results of TCA Cross Method Experiment

Results of TCA Cross Method Experiment

Postby xanaxx1 » Mon Jan 05, 2009 1:27 am

So I had been reading up on the TCA cross method and figured I would give it a whirl. I had a few icepick scars by my nose, so I broke out the toothpick and the TCA 25% and went to town. Verdict? Impressed. I can notice a noticeable reduction in the depth and the width of the scars after just one treatment. So I will wait the requisite 2-4 weeks and repeat. Still debating if I want to up the percentage. Any percentage higher than 25% make me want to wet myself.
I also took the plunge and decided to try a wrinkle. Just one individual wrinkle because that is all I have. :roll: I'll keep you guys posted.
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Postby ouch! » Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:12 am

This is interesting Xanaxx...please let us know how your one and only wrinkle turns out. I don't guess it would work on nasiolabial lines would it? I have a small scar on my forehead that is the indented sort. So you are just dipping a toothpick into the TCA and applying? Is the idea that more of the TCA solution is applied the a tiny spot? Thanks for sharing and happy new year!
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Postby Barbiewannabee » Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:03 am

ouch! wrote:This is interesting Xanaxx...please let us know how your one and only wrinkle turns out. I don't guess it would work on nasiolabial lines would it? I have a small scar on my forehead that is the indented sort. So you are just dipping a toothpick into the TCA and applying? Is the idea that more of the TCA solution is applied the a tiny spot? Thanks for sharing and happy new year!


I would like to know too, I've tried the toothpick, I don't seem to get enough product, oh, do you use the flat head or pointed? OMG, I'm asking what type of toothpicks are used to apply chemicals;-)

Ouch, I have a small indented scar from a milia I finally was able to get rid of, I did a 25% peel (although didn't leave it on as long as I could have) and the indentation is almost gone.

That's why I want to know about the toothpick bit, I'm trying it in other areas and nothing happens, and I"m going for the burn;-)
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Postby xanaxx1 » Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:39 am

Yes I used a toothpick. It is tricky getting enough product on the toothpick. I let it soak for a few minutes and that seems to help. You have to basically poke the scar with the pointed end. Not enough to draw blood but firmly. I did a wrinkle last night. I'm hoping that since I got a very good frost with this method (all white, no pink underneath), I will see some reduction in the depth. You have to be careful or the TCA will "bleed" a little further than the area you are wanting to treat.
Happy New Year's to you too, Mary!
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Postby DCNGA » Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:13 pm

To keep it from "bleeding", couldn't you use Aquaphor or petroleum jelly to protect the surrounding skin?

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Postby xanaxx1 » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:05 pm

Yes you could Donna! I didn't even think of that at the time. I am such a space case.
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Postby DCNGA » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:25 pm

I like the name Donna, but it's not my first name :lol: . I don't post my first name on the board--to protect the innocent--my family :D.

I wish I had gotten to name myself. In all of their wisdom, my parents did not give me a middle name. Most of my life, I was called DeeDee as my first name does begin with a D and my maiden name did as well. Guess that is why my parents did not give me a middle name, they WANTED to call me DeeDee--which I never really liked :( .

I think I remember reading the vaseline thing from Spy9doc or Suzanne.

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Postby Barbiewannabee » Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:57 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

To funny, when my daughter was learning to talk, she couldn't say a V name (Vicki;-D) so she started to call my sister "Dee Dee' now, everyone calls her Dee and she loves it!

I experienced the run off when I tried to apply TCA to an area near my smile line;-) uhm, probably the size of a nickel, I was concerned for a couple days, but it healed rather well.

I tried the toothpick again tonight, I just can't get enough product, I'll keep practicing.

I don't know what the actual name is, it's like a shot, without the needle, many pharmacist now give them out to parents for their children's liquid med. I'm thinking something like this, much slimmer and wouldn't hold even an ounce that may have a sponge tip (some type of material) where you could hold it over the area you wanted treated (for the small areas) and hold it there for a few.

Now, if anyone knows what I'm talking about, please explain so others will.

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Postby watchthemoon » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:47 am

So I'm wondering how this toothpick treatment will work.I was thinking it could make an ice pick scar bigger by eroding the inside skin.Hmm.Let us know how it turns out.There was a discussion about needling where you puncture areas on the inside of the icepick scar so that it breaks up the scar tissue.I had a doc try it on one of mine and after healing went right back to the small hole.Tenacious little tormenting devils all our imperfections are!It's a good thing we're probably the only one that notices them!
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Postby Barbiewannabee » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:29 am

Was it an icepick scar or manila? I know I had to use a small sterile needle in order to give it an opening. (manila)
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Postby ekhy » Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:33 pm

Thanks for making this thread. I’ve been curious about this method since I have scars that could be improved with it. Hope the rest of your experiment goes well. :]
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Postby hyeonjlee » Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:21 pm

I am a firm believer in the cross method. I used to have very noticeable old acne scars: all fairly deep icepicks.

About 3 years ago, I went through a year of monthly cross treatment at the doctor';s office. I believe she used something like 50-70% TCA.

I would do it on Friday after work, and by monday I will show up at work and it would look like I had bad acne breakout over the weekend here and there, but overall presentable - the beauty of the whole thing is that the reatment is VERY precisely on the exact scar position, not the general area or worse yet a full face. A few days later, the scabs would fall off leaving the exact spots red for a while, but easily hidden under makeup. NO down time!

After a year like that the scars were mostly gone - still faint traces, but I think they are beyond the point that can be helped with further cross treatment. They really are HARDLY noticeable. Even when I look for them, I need a precise lighting condition to spot them.

I am just so impressed. I heard that even the full laser treatment is really not capable of erasing deep icepicks scars unless repeated several times, and WHO in the world would go through several sessions of strong laser treatment that comes with a month of down time each time? Besides, I would never do a laser resurfacing - my skin easily hyperpigment, and there is no way I will risk the laser resurfacing, not to mention the down time.

I highly recommend the cross treatment, though i would never have the guts to do it at home.
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Postby manKman » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:56 pm

would this be a possible treatment for hypertrophic acne scars?
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Postby xanaxx1 » Wed Jan 07, 2009 5:18 pm

From what I have read, the Cross method only works on scars that are indented, icepick, rolling, boxcar, etc. It works by forming collagen to "fill in" the scar and make it less noticeable. Since a hypertrophic scar is due to too much collagen, I wouldn't think that it would help in this case.
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Postby watchthemoon » Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:45 am

xanaxx,
I tried the cross method last nite on an extremely large pore on the side of my nose with 25% tca.Will let you know if I have any results. Question....I read up on the cross method and the docs use stronger tca. I even remember Dr. Naderi (I think it was him) mentioning docs using phenol for this.You mentioned you might try it with a stronger tca version but where do you get the stuff?
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