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Sliding Genioplasty Doctors

Re: Sliding Genioplasty Doctors

Postby jf776649 » Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:45 pm

Dr. Zide freaks me out.. he responded to my email with a phone call a half-hour after I sent it to him, inquiring about chin implant revision. Other than the outlandish consultation fee, he said I have no say in how big the implant will be. AND it will be medpor. I noped out of that one pretty quickly, but hopefully Dr. Harrison Lee doesn't screw me over too. Going for a revision with him in April.
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Re: Sliding Genioplasty Doctors

Postby aramis7812 » Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:21 am

I urge anyone who feels they are dealing with a manipulative personality to read the book Psychopath Free by author Jackson MacKenzie. There are many other good books on the subject but I feel this is one of the more accessible ones. Thank you.
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Re: Sliding Genioplasty Doctors

Postby gjoland » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:38 pm

Is this for real?! If so then Dr. Zide belongs in Ripley's Believe It Or Not. He makes his plastic surgery practice sound like a criminal enterprise. His use of predatory sales tactics -- including step-by-step instructions for other doctors to adopt his deceptive business practices, even going so far as to deliberately misrepresent HIPAA (federal law) in order to avoid showing before-and-after pictures -- calls for a full investigation by the New York office of the attorney general. His so-called ratings and reviews -- a virtual Niagara Falls of five-star ratings and outpouring of gratitude and affection from supposed patients -- in light of his shocking (not to say criminal) admissions, are simply not believable. In my opinion, based on his own published writings, Dr. Zide is a quack and a fraud. He teaches his residents to fool their patients by making their own top doctor plaques? What other forms of fraud and corruption does he teach them? How many of those residents, now practicing doctors, continue to use (and improve upon?) Zide's "ploys" and dirty tricks? Outrageous! Dr. Zide doesn't belong in the practice of medicine. He belongs in jail.
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Re: Sliding Genioplasty Doctors

Postby laudorn » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:42 am

Read the journal articles posted above.


Some mistakes you can afford to make. Some you can't. Some let you walk away saying "I've still got my health." Some don't. Before you risk making a mistake, know which of the two categories will apply.


He that sups with the devil should have a long spoon.

--Late 14th century proverb

And what about the patient who wants to see preoperative and postoperative photographs that you do not have? My latest ploy for that is great: “The new HIPAA, the Health Insurance Privacy Act (my translation), which ensures patient confidentiality, does not allow us to show those pictures anymore. I wish I could, though; they were impressive, really.”
The methods by which I try to keep a patient from going elsewhere unnecessarily do not go beyond this petty, nebulous presentation of data. Some of my colleagues, though, are downright creative.

--from "I Am an Expert for Anything You Want" by Dr. Barry M. Zide

P.S.: Thanks to Doug Roth for a great title!

--from "I Am an Expert for Anything You Want" by Dr. Barry M. Zide

Which "Doug Roth"? Doug Roth, Esq.? Doug Roth the auto mechanic? Doug Roth the electrician? Doug Roth the plumber? Doug Roth the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker? Doug Roth of Roth's Adult Entertainment and More? Because I'm about to ask Dr. Douglas A. Roth, MD, FACS, Director of Plastic Surgery, Mount Sinai Health System at CareMount Medical whether he can help us discover who Dr. Zide's mysterious Doug Roth really is.

Why has this caught my attention? Because it seems to me that if one plastic surgeon publishes the excerpt posted above, he and he alone having knowledge of it, then what we have is one plastic surgeon promoting deceptive business practices -- fraud. But let's see how it changes things if it is published in a professional journal, where there is no expectation that the public will see it, but on the contrary every expectation that other doctors will read it. Finally let's say that a second plastic surgeon comes along, reads it, considers it worthy, and then thinks that it's such a good idea that he comes up with "a great title". I could be wrong -- I've certainly been wrong before, and I'll certainly be wrong again -- but what we just might end up with is a set of facts that when taken together satisfies the legal definition of conspiracy.

By the way, I'm sure I'm not alone in hoping that Dr. Zide will publish another article, yet another installment in the highly respected Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, describing in painstaking detail the ways in which his "colleagues" are "downright creative". Would anyone like to second the motion? Can we have a show of hands? Better yet, how about a full length book? I'm sure Dr. Zide, with his decades of experience, has gathered enough information for that. I'm sure there'll be no problem finding a publisher. What a wonderful idea! Surely such an important contribution to the history of plastic surgery will meet with the full support and cooperation of the plastic surgeon community. I can already see Dr. Zide's "buddies" elbowing each other aside to be first in line to describe their "latest ploys". I can even suggest a title: "Cargo, 'Buddies' and All!: How 'The Expert' Sank the Ship". A smart publisher will make the first printing a small one. That way signed copies of first editions in new or fine condition will sell to book collectors for top dollar.


Dr. Barry M. Zide has published a number of very alarming statements about himself, his practice and his profession. These statements should raise serious questions about his professional skill as well as his moral fitness to practice medicine. How is a person doing research on a doctor supposed to reconcile the disturbing things that doctor says about himself with the wonderful things said about him in his many glowing online reviews? Jeff Hancock, Professor of Communications at Cornell University, has created a tool that may help move us toward an answer to this question. The tool is called Review Skeptic.

Review Skeptic uses an algorithm to identify fake reviews. The current version of Review Skeptic is designed to work best on restaurant and hotel reviews, but this doesn't mean that it doesn't have wider application. This is how it works: Go to an online review website. Copy and paste a review into the appropriate box in Review Skeptic and click "test it". The program then gives its opinion about whether the review is truthful or deceptive. The following article contains the link to Review Skeptic: http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/blog/online-reviews-how-can-you-spot-a-fake. You can also try the direct link: http://reviewskeptic.com The following video might also be helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y0pYUdfGiw

Another useful tool is The Wayback Machine. The Wayback Machine is an online archive used to take snapshots of websites as they appeared at certain points in time https://archive.org/web/. Here's how it works: Let's say you post a comment on the internet and you want to guard against someone having it removed. As soon as you finish posting your comment, copy the URL of that website to the upload box of The Wayback Machine. Then click "upload". A snapshot of the website containing your post will then be saved on The Wayback Machine archive. From then on, anyone who wants to see whether there is a record of that website and whether that website has undergone changes over time can simply copy and paste the URL of the website to the appropriate box on The Wayback Machine. You will be brought to a webpage showing calendars and dates that indicate points in time when a snapshot of the webpage was taken. Click on one of those points in time and you will see the webpage as it appeared at that time. I also suggest writing an email to the owners of review websites asking whether they have ever come under pressure from the doctor (legal or otherwise) to remove negative reviews. The email address can usually be found in the website's fine print. Any court orders or legal documents are public information, and the owners of the website are free to send copies to anyone who requests them.

Here is a short list of "Nevers" and "Always" with regard to interactions with plastic surgeons. Never have a procedure without first consulting with your primary care physician about that procedure and the specialist who will perform it. Never use a plastic surgeon, or any medical doctor, who started out as a dentist. Dr. Zide got both his dental degree and his medical degree from the same school. To me this suggests that because he didn't have what it takes to get into medical school through the front door he got his dental degree first and used that to squeeze in through the back door. The fact that he got both degrees from the same school suggests his acceptance into medical school had more to do with politics than with merit. (It's interesting to note that Zide has begun leaving out the "DMD" title on his websites. He should look into whether Tufts dental school has a buy-back program on its degrees, the degree having served its purpose to him. Maybe they can pro-rate it or something.)

Never go alone to a doctor you are unfamiliar with. Always bring an alert, outspoken companion who isn't afraid to notice things that are suspicious and to ask questions about those things. Always ask for the doctor's Informed Consent Form during your first consultation with the doctor. Many doctors wait until the day of the surgery to show this form to the patient. In my opinion, waiting until the last minute to show the Informed Consent Form to the patient is manipulative and unethical. This is because the patient is not being given enough time to read and consider the risks of the procedure. This is the same as pressuring the patient to make an extremely important decision (perhaps the most important decision of her life) under duress -- the patient being only moments away from going under the knife. Never rely on The Establishment (e.g., medical boards, consumer protection agencies, regulatory agencies, courts, law enforcement agencies, etc..) to protect you from unethical doctors. There are many ways that an unethical doctor can avoid the teeth of the very agencies whose job it is to identify and restrain doctors like him. He can ingratiate himself with those agencies. He can make himself useful to those agencies. He can even make himself part of those agencies. Last I knew, Dr. Barry Zide was also Constable Barry Zide, with all the powers and privileges of a constable. Why would a plastic surgeon -- a professor of surgery at NYU -- the best in his field if we are to believe his rave reviews -- want an appointment as constable? What possible use could it be to a medical doctor to have police powers? To make extra money serving court papers (Tufts will be sorry to learn that neither the dental degree or the medical degree it offers is enough to allow a graduate to make a fast buck)? To arrest deadbeat dads? To park illegally on NYC streets without getting ticketed? Maybe it's so he can carry a sidearm in a city notorious for making it difficult to do so? Now why would a plastic surgeon -- beloved by his patients if we believe his unbelievable reviews -- need to carry a gun? Remember to ask him at your appointment. Then let me know what he says.

A white-collar crook who wants to be left alone by the agencies who are supposed to stop him must learn the fine art of taking good care of one's membership to the local good ol' boy club. This is especially true in places with strong traditions of cronyism, graft and corruption -- places like New York City. The hierarchy of the powerful will overlook quite a lot if you will just show them you can bow. Eliot Spitzer, who in my opinion was not a crook, refused to genuflect. The scandal that ensued (a spectacular display of Establishment hypocrisy so rank it would have Boss Tweed grabbing his nose) is illustrative of what can happen to a person who scoffs at the hierarchy of power, who refuses to accept his place in that hierarchy, who commits the unpardonable sin of trying to get above himself. Club membership in good standing -- that's the thing.

According to his curriculum vitae, Dr. Barry Zide offers free surgeries to the military, the NYPD and FDNY. I can think of few things more ridiculous (and more transparently manipulative) than a doctor offering free surgeries to a group of people whose health insurance packages are second to none. Study Barry Zide. Read his writings. Read his curriculum vitae. Read his so-called ratings and reviews. Notice when they begin, and when they slow down. Ask yourselves why there isn't a single before-and-after picture to support them. Ask yourselves why Dr. Zide, the best of the best according to his reviews, has yet to post a video of one of his surgeries on Youtube. Is his "translation" of HIPAA getting in the way again? Have a consultation with him. Sit back and enjoy the Barry Zide show. For its entertainment value alone (there's nothing like the adrenaline rush you get when you escape an alpha predator) the $300, or whatever exorbitant fee he charges now for a first consultation, is well worth the price. I think you will discover what others have discovered -- that Dr. Barry Zide is a con artist, a charlatan, a cheat and a fraud, second to none --- and proud to be.

I'll leave you with quote from a book by Charles Spezzano, Ph.D., What To Do Between Birth and Death: The Art of Growing Up, from the chapter titled, "What Experts Know". It's a short chapter, so I'll quote the whole thing:

If you're in financial trouble, your lawyer doesn't know if you should declare bankruptcy. Lawyers only know how to file bankrupticies. They don't know who should do it. When you ask a lawyer if you should declare bankruptcy, you're asking her if she thinks you should hire her and pay her money---if she thinks you should buy what she sells. It's the same if you ask an attorney if you should sue somebody. In a awful lot of instances he will say yes, you should. You should, that is, buy the service he sells.
This is not a diatribe against lawyers. The same applies to me and my colleagues. Psychotherapists don't know if you should be in analysis or some other form of psychotherapy. We only know how to help you do it if that's what you want to do. We rarely tell people that they don't need or wouldn't benefit from some sort of psychological treatment, just as chiropractors usually believe that only through a couple of years of their guidance and service will you be able to restructure your chronic underlying skeletal distortions and damages, and just as periodontists----professionals who, by definition, think that good life starts with great gums----believe that everyone over 30 needs gum surgery.
The wish for an authority with all the answers we need to run our lives is a powerful universal fantasy. I have seen several older men I loved turn themselves over passively to medical-care systems that may well have made the wrong decisions for them. No amount of support from family members would persuade them to challenge their physicians even to the extent of asking for an opinion from outside that hospital where they eventually died. Women have derived some strength in this respect from feminist literature about the shortcomings of a male medical system in understanding their health needs, but that's just one aspect of this broader problem of sorting out in what ways certain experts are smarter that we are and in what ways they cannot be. Our own desire that they be omniscient keeps us from seeing the limits of their expertise.
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