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No comments on the HBO special Plastic Disasters?

Postby 2dogs » Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:35 pm

Thanks, Alice. For once I'm in agreement with the NYT. Most of these shows are just not informative. I do like the "Before and After" plastic surgery on the Discovery Health Channel, though---they do explain the procedures fairly well.

We should produce our own!

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SECOND REQUEST, re: HBO special, plastic surgery

Postby Babyboomer » Thu Jun 08, 2006 12:38 pm

Hello, I must be missing something here. Can anybody please tell me when and where this HBO special was aired on TV? Was it a movie or a program? Is there a "name" for it, so I can look it up in my local programming guide? Thanks.
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Postby metwo » Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:23 pm

By chance, I caught most of the special last night. I thought it was awful, too. I do think, even with the poor quality of the production, that those who saw the program and are interested in having plastic surgery, will ask questions and be more cognizant of what's going on and what can happen, in the hands of the wrong doctor. So for that reason and that alone, I could see the benefit...although not much, except sensationalism, was shown.

I know when I had my surgery, I went in thinking I was in good hands, and didn't realize how dangerous it could posibly be. That's before I found this sight or saw any shows that revealed what could happen. (Especially with the eyes.) Knowing what I know now, I count my blessings that things turned out well. But even still, I can't help but be apprehensive about anything involving my face and a knife. I'll be going in, in two weeks, for a little tweak under the chin.
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Postby robynne » Thu Jun 08, 2006 1:42 pm

Babyboomer, it is "Plastic Disasters" on HBO...will be shown several times during the month of June.
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Postby jacksonmmeu » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:22 pm

What a rip!!!!!! It was like the Rocky Horror show -what was up with that lady and her neck? Yikes, try some decent teeth for starters ... I do feel terrible for the lady who lost her legs, that was criminal. The show had really no beginning or story line. The p.s. who fixed Tony's nose is a great nose fixer in Bevery Hills, otherwise I have no idea who did what to who?
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Postby Allicsirp » Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:56 pm

Finally got to see this documentary. Well, I watched for as long as I could. I thought the show would make me mad...it just disturbed me to the point that I couldn't watch it anymore. Kind of like that something that attacks your nervous system and puts you on edge but you have no idea why you feel that way. You just can't put a finger on it.

I don't want to beat a dead dog here, but what was Lucille attaching to her face? Those clamp things? What was that? Her case was the most disturbing and HBO should be ashamed. They obviously took advantage of a very disturbed individual and used their filming to compose a more horrificly terrifying ordeal than the other two cases. I don't think Lucille's problem is a bad plastic surgery experience. Sorry! But my heart does break for her.

By the way, was a doctor's name ever mentioned in Lucille's case as far as who was supposed to have messed her up? I know that's probably a dumb question but I was running from that show by the time it was over.
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as for Tony with the rhinoplasty....

Postby hebron » Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:19 pm

There are pics of what he looks like after the surgery on Dr. Nassif's website in this paper, look for the last example. He doesn't exactly look thrilled with the "change", maybe that's why it wasn't featured:

http://www.spaldingplasticsurgery.com/M ... plasty.htm
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Postby hebron » Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:21 pm

I should add that it was his 4th or 5th rhino and maybe not much can be expected at that point.
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from Lucille

Postby luciacovelli » Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:29 am

Allicsirp wrote:I don't want to beat a dead dog here, but what was Lucille attaching to her face? Those clamp things? What was that?.


Those "clamp things" were used in the fluoroscopy (dymanic x-ray) explained on my website:

http://groups.msn.com/losingface/mbsrep ... ogist.msnw

Allicsirp wrote:Her case was the most disturbing and HBO should be ashamed. They obviously took advantage of a very disturbed individual and used their filming to compose a more horrificly terrifying ordeal than the other two cases.


The filming which you attribute to HBO (towards the end of the film) in which I am not wearing my dental prosthetics, am crying and screaming into the camera, or pulling my tongue out with my fingers, also for an x-ray and otherwise pulling on my face and neck)... ALL of those images were part of 40 hours of my PERSONAL VIDEO DIARY... tapes I never intended ANYONE to see until after my death. Why keep such a diary? When you suffer from serious medical problems (like inability to breathe, swallow, lift your head, close your jaw, hearing loss, and intolerable PAIN and pressure in your ears every moment since waking from anesthesia)... and you are forced to TRICK doctors into performing the necessary diagnostics, you might want to keep a record to depict your actual suffering when doctors refuse to acknowledge your injury.

Perhaps I should not even bother explaining what happened to me on boards like this any longer. If you want to think I am crazy, fine. But YOU may be the next victim of the medical profession's conspiracy of deceit. Until it happens to YOU, such experiences as mine seem impossible. I trusted the filmmakers with my video diary and did not have any control over what they used. I trusted them to RESPECT MY DIGNITY in NOT using portions of the tapes which portrayed my emotional meltdown in response to YEARS of humiliating lies, cover-ups and abuse by plastic surgeons and their lawyers. I did not know what they used until the film was complete and scheduled for broadcast. The images were used out of the contest in which I filmed them. The "bizarre" pulling and poking of my face and neck were actually very clinical in nature, but the filmmakers took these frames and combined them with other, more emotional venting, for "effect". While I am extremely displeased with the use of my video diary in this manner, there is nothing I can do about it. Do I think my video diary was used for "shock value"? Yes, I do. As far as my sanity goes, I am probably more sane than many people on this board. Sane people would commit suicide rather than endure the physical butchery, character assassination and emotional abuse of which I have been victim. If you research the medical literature, you will not find a single paper or statistic on suicides related to botched cosmetic surgery. I wonder why?

Allicsirp wrote:I don't think Lucille's problem is a bad plastic surgery experience.


You don't? Then how did I happen to wake up from anesthesia with my face/neck cut and sewn up so INSANELY, that I have not been able to breathe, swallow, lift my head or close my mouth, since that day?

I find it strange that people who have seen this film did not see or hear the speech pathologist say I did not have a normal swallow, while the surgeon just stands there, expressionless, while I demonstrate how I must FORCE my jaw to close? If you have not read my website, please do. I provide hard evidence in medical reports, complete with real names of doctors, hospitals, actual images of x-rays, etc.. and how they can and do IGNORE them. You think doctors just can't get away with things like this? You think it is impossible? You think there MUST be legal safeguards against such subterfuge? SO did I.... BEFORE THIS HAPPENED TO ME. The medical profession is the most CORRUPT profession going.. If you think your own doctor is "above" stooping to the level of the doctors I have dealt with, you are WRONG. I have seen good doctors compromise their ethics to protect a negligent doctor. The guilty doctor does not even have to be in the same community or state! They can be total STRANGERS. This is a hard-clad rule among plastic surgeons. This specialty is worth BILLIONS OF $$$$ to this specialty and spreads its influence into every media venue imaginable.

This is the last time I will read or post to this board. I now see that the great sacrifice I have made in an atrempt to enlighten and WARN people about the very real dangers involved in cosmeic surgery falls on deaf ears.


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Postby Elaine » Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:27 am

Hi, I have not been posting too much, but still lurking. When I saw your post twodogs of course I had to look! Hope you are doing well. I didn't see the show, but after reading all the posts I am glad that I didn't.

The post about thinking that ps is a walk in the park is probably sadly more true than we want to think. I am a pretty intelligent, successful business woman and I knew that it was surgery, but honestly on some level, I didn't think of it as much more than a root canal. Maybe a pollyana attitude evokes some postive energy, which we know does help, but it also really sets one up for a huge crash when results are less than ideal.

The point brought out in these postings about the experience and quality of the surgeon can not be repeated enough. One thing that I learned is that Board Certified does not mean the ps is a good one, only that he is board certified. I could be wrong, but my interpetation is it is more schooling. That would boil down to a good test taker vs a creative hand in my book. Of course the more credentials the more likely your ps has put in time, thus gaining experience, but it could be C- work, how do we really find out?

When programs as described here play the terror card, I don't think it discourages anyone who is hell bent on ps, I think instead that it affects the people who we look to for support, our friends and families who don't understand why we have ps in the first place. So these shows don't stop us, they just alienate our circle of support by convincing them that we are crazy for doing this. I find that shameful.

Just had to add my two cents. Best to all, aloha.
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Postby TwinL » Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:13 am

Lucia - I don't have HBO--so was unable to watch the program. But from what my sister tells me, it was done just for "drama"--and without any decent explanations, background, compassion, etc. Just pure drama!!

That makes me so mad!! Anyone can be made to look "emotionally disturbed" on television--that's exactly what they WANT. So a large audience will gather and go "ooh...aah" over others discomfort. And it's particularly infuriating when you, of all people, have every reason to feel emotionally disturbed! I'd be a lot worse than that!

Please don't feel that your words fall on deaf ears. They don't. My mouth was crooked for 2 and a half months after my surgery....only corrected by regenerated muscles a few weeks ago. That was enough to make me take this surgery very, very seriously. I know my doctor as a friend--he did his best work--and the muscles were STILL affected. He's an excellent doctor...but my face was totally unpredictible. I bruised the worst he'd ever seen. And there was nothing beforehand to suggest that. (You can see my first week's "pumpkin head" look at the Twin photo site: Password: Doublemint. (Don't forget to capitalize the "D" or it won't come up!)

I feel so much sadness for you and wish there were something I could do that would help. But at the very least....please believe me that your story HAS helped others. Our medical society is not used to their patients' fighting back. But your story is such strong evidence that we have to.

Please don't despair of people....until we experience misfortunes, ourselves, we just assume all is "rosy".

I was wondering if you'd contacted any European surgeons? In many ways they are ahead of ours over here. It might be worth pursuing. Keep trying to find that one surgeon with the compassion to help.

Thinking of you and wishing you a much happier future, TwinL (Lynn)
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Postby traci46 » Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:33 pm

Board Certified is totally important, but can also be meaningless. My ps was Board Certified, had an excellent reputation, had practiced locally for some time, was featured in magazines etc etc. However, he did a lousy job on my face lift. I have nerve damage which is still bothering me after 6 yrs. I had to have revisions, and several years ago he lost his license for acloholism. It was well covered up it seems, and I am quite annoyed at the deceit, and the trust I placed in him. He even had a clean record on state medical boards too.
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Postby 2dogs » Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:25 pm

Traci....what is the nature of your nerve damage, how do you cope with it, what area of your face, etc? I think those of us who've had some problems with nerves/muscles should let others know what they mean by "nerve damage"----I signed the consents, knowing I didn't really have a clue...I thought "numbness" meant a little patch of sensory nerves on the skin, ha ha. I am sure good surgeons try their darndest NOT to move, injure, cut or bruise nerves, but I do know that sometimes they are not even visible to them....the problem is the bizarre sensations we are left with and the docs' rather cavalier attitude toward it...you can bet THEY would have a fit if someone did this to them!
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Postby traci46 » Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:22 pm

It is on my left side, on and around the ear. Luckily my face has no problems from this. I still have numbness, tingling and tightness on ear and scalp, which gets worse during times of stress. I also have a neuroma on left side of neck, which is very tender to touch. I have done nothing about this, and my neurologist said little could be done. After all this time I am quite used to it - hate it, but used to it. There are drugs you can take, but I do terrible with drugs, so prefer to do without. Have a friend with the same problem, different dr, but same numbness. What a surprise!! Oh yes, the top of my head is also still numb from a hairline brow lift done 1 1/2 yrs. ago...also different dr.
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Postby TwinA » Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:51 pm

TwinL wrote:Lucia - I don't have HBO--so was unable to watch the program. But from what my sister tells me, it was done just for "drama"--and without any decent explanations, background, compassion, etc. Just pure drama!!


As Lynn's twin, Alice, who saw the "documentary", just wanted to jump in here to say that this HBO presentation was one of THE most blatant examples of exploitative, dumbed-down dramas disguised as "journalistic reporting." From the 'wink wink nudge nudge' of Lucille's doctors to those final obviously edited, dramatized and 'frantic' frames of a woman 'on the verge,' HBO's producers were, in their own slick way, no less abusers than Lucille's doctors.

Lucille, to know that your video diary was used 'against you' is infuriating to me, a viewer. (By the way, please know that I am undoubtedly among many viewers who know what goes on in the editing of documentaries and reality shows. Please don't think that every viewer is sucked in by what is presented to him/her. There are plenty of us who know what 'selective' editing did to you...and we are frustrated along with you.)

I remember after 9/11, when pundits from every corner proclaimed: "Our world...the media...has changed. Irony is dead." Well, maybe some of those "bloviators" will change their minds when they see how HBO mocked your story.

P.S. I noticed on the show that you have a beautiful dog...a spaniel? Animals, in their own special way, are healers. I hope your little dog and any other pets in your home will give some light to your life. And, like my sister expressed, above, I hope for you a brighter future.

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