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Is the mini lift the same as MACS?

Is the mini lift the same as MACS?

Postby MillenniumFPS » Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:37 pm

Kimberlyf asks
Is the mini lift the same as MACS?


Hi Kimberlyf,

No. MACS is a type of mini-lift, but a mini-lift is not a MACS lift (BMW is a brand of a car, but a car is not a BMW.) Mini-lifts are considered facelifts that don't include a formal necklift. Mini-lifts tend to work well for early jowling (sagging of the jawline.) The S-lift is a type of mini-facelift which does not extend the incision behind the ear. The MACS lift is a type of S-lift which uses the same incisions as the S-lift. It lifts the muscles vertically using two loops of sutures (surgical threads) and anchors these loops to the chewing muscle of the temples (temporalis muscle.) If you look at the diagram, the "extended MACS-lift" version can lift up the cheek can improve the midface and lower face. You can see the third loop of suture close to the eye, looping down to the yellow oval (which represents the cheek fat which is lifted upwards.)
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Why do they do that?
Anchoring these sutures to this muscle seems to "slip" less than anchoring the suture to the tough outer coating of the extension of the cheek bone (periosteum of the zygomatic arch.) This seems to give the MACS-lift a longer lasting lift than the S-lift, according to the developers of the MACS (I don't believe everything that I read, and neither should you.)

I have performed the MACS lift on a few patients, but I do not have their permission to show their photos. I googled: MACS-lift and Dr. Barry Press in San Jose seems to be a MACS-lift surgeon. Looking at his website, he visited the developers of the MACS-lift in Belgium before he started performing them in the states.

Let's look at his before and after photos from his website. (Disclaimer: I do not know Dr. Press; I am not endorsing him, and I have no financial affiliation with him.) He has consistent before and after photos with the same face and neck position, his patients are not smiling, and he has lined up the photos nicely, which makes it easier for people to look at the improvements or lack of improvements. We could probably assume that these three examples are probably the best three MACS-lift patients that he has permission to show.

Patient 1: MACS-Lift, liposuction of the neck, bilateral lower lid pinch
blepharoplasty, bilateral upper lid blepharoplasty
Left: preoperative, Right: postoperative at 3 months
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Image Credit: Dr. Barry Press, M.D. (Dr. Press is a Board-Certified Plastic Surgeon in San Jose) http://www.macs-lift.us/photo-gallery.html

If we ignore the improvements from the upper and lower eyelid surgery and focus on the cheeks, smile lines, marionette lines, jawline and neck, what do we see? How much improvement is there in the neck profile? the cheeks? the smile lines? marionette lines? and finally the jawline?

No doubt there is some improvement in these areas. But it is still early at 3 months so most likely the face will relax a tiny bit more.

Here is an excellent result by Dr. Press, but at the same time we can see the initial improvement that the mini-lift does for the neck, as well as the later "rebound" of the muscle bands (look at the profile view on the second row of photos. You can see how angled her neckline is at one week, but in the 11 month after photo, the neck is not as angled as it was at 1 week, because of a partial return of the muscle bands. The good news for the patient is that from the front and angled view the muscle bands are not easily seen as compared to the before photo.) Also, notice how the swelling of the face at one week also makes the patient look like she is about 20 something years old. He uses this to show the viewer that the recovery from the MACS-lift is reasonable, but he also shows the final result, in order not to mislead the viewer into thinking that this is the final result.

Patient 2: Procedure: Endoscopic brow lift, Extended MACS-Lift, Suction assisted lipectomy of neck, SMAS grafts to upper and lower lips to increase fullness.

Photographs:Left: preoperative, Center: one week postoperative, Right: 11 months postoperative

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Image Credit: Dr. Barry Press, M.D. (Dr. Press is a Board-Certified Plastic Surgeon in San Jose) http://www.macs-lift.us/photo-gallery.html

Lastly, he shows another excellent result which is 18 months after the facelift, where the MACS and the liposuction did improve the neck profile.
Patient 3: Operation: Procedure: MACS-lift, submental/neck liposuction
Photographs: Left: preoperative, Right: 18 months postoperative
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Image Credit: Dr. Barry Press, M.D. (Dr. Press is a Board-Certified Plastic Surgeon in San Jose) http://www.macs-lift.us/photo-gallery.html

Why did MACS-lift work for the neck for the third patient, but not the second patient? Patient selection. The second patient clearly had strong muscle bands (platysmal bands) while the third patient had extra skin and fat. Since the liposuction took care of the extra fat, and the MACS got rid of the small amount of extra skin, she got a good neck result.

I like all three results, the incisions in front of the ears look good, the tragus looks normal, no pixie ears, and all three patients have nice overall improvements to the face. I think that we can be confident that all three patients are happy with their results.


My thoughts on MACS and mini-lifts.
(Disclaimer: These are my observations and experiences with the MACS and mini-lifts only, other plastic surgeons may have different experiences and results from the same types of lifts, so they continue to perform them. Based on my own patient experiences, I have decided to not offer them as my primary type of facelift. My views are biased towards performing the corset platysmaplasty, because I have had reproducible and reliable results with minimal problems. Not all surgeons believe in this procedure, but since I am getting good results and happy patients, I am not necessarily willing to try their technique as they may not be willing to try my technique. Take my views with a grain of salt, as you should with anything else that you read on the internet or mainstream media.)

In my experience, mini-lifts do not tend to change the neck profile, unless some liposuction is performed. If there is an improvement in the profile, I found it to be subtle, like in patient 1. If liposuction is performed too aggressively in the another problem can occur. Dr. Kamer wrote a paper regarding this problem called: Postoperative platysmal band deformity. A pitfall of submental liposuction F. M. Kamer and J. J. Minoli http://archotol.ama-assn.org/cgi/conten ... /119/2/193

What can happen if the surgeon aggressively liposuctions under the chin, but does not look under the skin to see if there are muscle bands that need to be treated? I call it a cobra-neck deformity, Dr. Kessler calls it a Shotgun deformity. Same thing. Here is a photo from his website and the link.
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Image Credit: Dr. Robert Kessler, Board-Certified Plastic Surgeon in Newport Beach http://www.drrobkessler.com/selfPublished_Telltale.asp
Caption for the above photo from Dr. Robert Kessler's website.
Shotgun Deformity
Over the last 10 years greater attention has been paid to the neck contour during facelifting procedures. In fact, a great majority of patients present to my office more concerned about their neck than their face. Current techniques allow greater manipulation of the deeper structures of the neck. If done well the results are excellent, if done poorly or in the wrong patient type, a depression immediately below the chin can be created. Instead of a soft curve in the submental area there is a central depression with fullness on either side. There is nothing natural about this appearance.


Early on, I saw that many of my own mini-lifts which had an initial muscle band/turkey neck improvement (like in Dr. Press's patient 2), later fell or returned to close to its original position (<10% improvement.) When I gave them the initial consultation, I thought that the SMAS plication facelift should be able to hold the neck up. It did, but only for 6-8 weeks before it fell, to my dismay as well as my patients. This also happens to board-certified plastic surgeons in practice for 8-9 years as in TwinL's case. I remember this because Barbara741 (my patient) and TwinL both had their necklifts around the same time this past March. In both their cases, the necklift/platysmaplasty was not performed with their original facelift. In order to maintain my reputation, I offered the patients with fallen necks free touch-up necklifts to "stand by my work." The necklifts involved a corset platysmaplasty, and revision of the incision behind the ears. I did not have many pixie ears, but I did have some bad neck scars, which I was able to remove when performing the formal necklift. In order not to have Falling Necks, Pixies Ears & Thick Neck Scars, at least in my hands, I can't rely on the facelift to hold the neck up. So, I perform a straight forward necklift (first liposuctioning the fat, then looking for the muscle bands to sew them together to prevent any muscle bands from reforming in the future.

Although I offer mini-facelifts as an option, I rarely find the right patient to offer it to. Most of my patients are over 50, if I had more patients under 50 then maybe I would find more good candidates for this procedure. The ideal patient for the mini-lift has mild jowling with an absolutely perfect neck profile with a minimal loose neck skin(<5% of my patients.) And for those patients, I recommend that they wait a few years before considering a facelift. There is some synergy to performing the facelift and necklift at the same time instead of separately, which is why the older established surgeons do not like to perform mini-facelifts, they turn away younger patients and let things sag at least a little bit more before performing the lift. (Kimberlyf this may pertain to you =; )

For the remaining 95% of patients, even the younger patients if they have early jowling, they usually also have early neck muscle bands or a single flap of skin and fat in the middle (turkey neck.) Since I do not want to make every facelift a two stage procedure, I offer a traditional extended SMAS lower facelift and full necklift, but under local anesthesia (which I named the Millennium Lift.) I have tried to go deep plane under local anesthesia, but it is too uncomfortable for the patient, so the most that I can do is an extended SMAS (which has about a 10% touch up rate). Since I can also perform a deep plane facelift, which I consider the gold standard for lower facelifts (touch-up rate of 3%) I price the extended SMAS facelift lower than my Deep plane facelift (which is riskier to the facial nerve and takes longer because I don't want to rush when I am operating close to the facial nerve.) And my SMAS imbrication facelift (mini-facelift) is less expensive than my standard facelift (Millennium Lift.)

Small-Medium-Large Facelift Recommendations.

When people get clothes in stores, most people are mediums, fewer people are smalls and larges. This is called a Bell Curve distribution.
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Image Credit: http://blog.case.edu/jms18/2005/01/19/e ... _questions

I think most surgeons offer as their standard facelift either a SMAS or extended SMAS facelift with proper necklift, which I think is a good fit for the majority of patients looking for a lower face and necklift. However if they only offer a mini-type lift they may still have a high satisfaction rate of 4 out of 5 patients, but if 1 in 5 patients (According to Dr. Kamer's comparison of his own SMAS plication, extended SMAS, and Deep plane experience) request a touch up this creates a large number of unhappy patients which is bad for my reputation.

If you are getting facelift incisions on the sides of the face for a mini-lift or short-scar facelift, then there will be 4-6 inches of incisions per side of the face (8-10 inches total), what's another 1" incision in a wrinkle under the chin to get the proper neck work done? That adds up to 9-11 inches worth of incisions instead of 8-10 inches. Let's at Hildy's album again, ( http://www.makemeheal.com/pictures/view ... bumid=4436 ) notice she has a small tape under her chin for the necklift. Granted that her facelift is only one month old, but because the platysmaplasty was performed in the front of the neck, I am not worried for Hildy that her neck will fall.

I don't necessarily agree with performing a deep-plane facelift on everybody either, especially if they don't have very much to lift, their cheek position is fine, or are very fearful of a facial nerve paralysis. According to some comparisons of SMAS versus deep plane facelifts, only the older patients (over 65) does the deep plane facelift seem to be noticeably better than a SMAS. So if they have a deep-plane facelift as their first facelift when they are young, it would be more difficult to go deep-plane again for their second facelift, and instead a SMAS tightening (imbrication) procedure would be the better option for their second facelift. The problem that I would worry about is that when they are older they would benefit more from the the deeper facelift than when they were younger, so why use the deep plane facelift so early, unless they know that they won't have a second facelift, and they should get as much done the one time as possible. Why use your Ace when a Jack will win the hand? Use the Ace later?

I did not want to offer either extremes of facelifts, because I think it would either be too much or too little for my patients. Therefore, thinking in a logical way, I feel that the extended SMAS facelift with a proper necklift should "fit" the center of the Bell curve the best and be suitable for most patients. If they are a better candidate for either a mini-lift or a deep plane facelift, I would recommend the best suited type of facelift for them.

Hopefully this small, medium, large strategy, full disclosure on the tuck-up percentages, numbness of the face, risk of facial weakness/paralysis, and standing by my work, will make all of my patients happy. I know that making all of your patients happy is not necessarily possible, but I think it is a goal worth striving for.

Best,

Dr.Yang

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Postby kimberlyf » Fri Dec 07, 2007 7:19 pm

Dr. Yang:

This post, as usual, was enormously educational and helpful. And thank you for the shout out! It seems that you are exactly right about my particular situation: I have now been on three consultations regarding my lower face and neck. One PS recommended a MACS, while two told me I'm not ready for anything yet. So I am now trying to learn to love my slightly sagging lower jaws and crepey neck, as the majority opinion seems to be that I should continue to live my life for a few years before going under the knife to address these issues.

Thanks again,

Kimberlyf
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Postby JanieM » Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:49 am

Hi, Kimberly
I'm new to this web site, having found it while feeling rather sorry for myself 4 weeks post MACS! I first considered doing "something" with my face 7 years ago, but it was only last month, at the age of 51, that I finally took the plunge. I did have a bad day yesterday, I felt very blue, but I know that I'm going to benefit enormously from having undergone this procedure. I really do think it was a good thing to wait. I wish you all the best in your decision. Jane
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Postby kimberlyf » Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:17 pm

Hang in there, Janie! So sorry you had a blue day; I hope today is better for you.

Will you be posting pics of yourself at some point? Regardless, I am delighted to hear that you already know your MACS is going to yield the results you had hoped for.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if my journey goes much like yours, i.e. think about it for years and then at some point the time will just be "right" from all perspectives.

Again, congratulations and best wishes on continued happy and gorgeous healing! And maybe we could all make a deal to spend a little more time focusing on what's right with ourselves rather than what we perceive to be "wrong," yes?

kim
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Postby JanieM » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:34 am

Kim, many thanks for your positively up-lifting reply! I feel absolutely terrific this morning; its amazing what a good nights sleep brings! I totally agree with you that although we need a forum like this to air our rollercoasting emotions, the thing we're all ultimately looking for is reassurance that our decision was the right one, and that all will be well given time. I wish everyone the best of luck with their recovery. Jane
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Postby kimberlyf » Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:41 am

Oh, Janie, so glad that you're having a better day. You are so right; it is astonishing what 'one more day' and a night's sleep can do to change our outlooks (and our looks sometimes!) for the better. Of course we all know that, but we sink into that pit of despair, it can be so hard to remember that and hang on for that better day.

I agree with you so strongly that indeed, that is the beauty and miracle (honestly!) of this board -- seriously, thank God for the internet that women from all corners of the world can huddle up together and share information, inspiration, consolation, and encouragement.

From what I'm learning here, it's entirely possible that you may have another moment or two of wondering or concern. When you do, come back for more virtual hugs and reassurance, okay? I sure plan to myself :)
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Postby JanieM » Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:13 pm

Oh, I intend to! There's only so much complaining I can expect my husband to put up with :lol: !!!!! To be fair, I think I must be one of the luckier women to have such a great, supportive husband. I just hope everyone else has someone, somewhere, who takes care of them.
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Postby richtea » Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:55 am

hello
I am having the macs lift in Belgium on the 1st feb and I can not thank the doctor enough for that informative post.

After reading all of this I think it is the right thing for me, I am 37 and due to a week jaw line have early jowels but no neck sagging so a face and neck lift would be to much.

This way I can tidy myself up until may late 40's early 50's when I may need the full lift.

Thankyou Richtea :)
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Great Post and a question

Postby marshac » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:49 pm

Dr Yang,

Thank you for your educational posts, they really help clarify what we often don't "hear" from our own PS.

I am 57 and had a stunning SMAS face and necklift two years ago. I felt so great about my new face, that I buckled down and took control of my weight and lost 50 pounds. I work out 3x a week and my body fat is now 21%.

The downside to this is that some skin (much more on my body than on my face) sagged. I am planning to get a Quicklift to get things back in place. Is that similar to your Millennium lift? I feel that since I recently had a lift (and my underpinning is fine) that the Quicklift is a reasonable solution. Am I on the right track?

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quicklift

Postby watchthemoon » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:23 pm

Dr. Yang,
I noticed someone on this board had good results from the "quicklift" which looks somewhat more comprehensive than the lifestyle lift. Could you take a peak at this link that describes this procedure and let me know what you think? Thanks
http://www.quickliftmd.com/ql-double-pursestring.cfm
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Postby marshac » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:43 pm

Watchthemoon,

It was that article that sold me on the Quicklift (I had lost the link - thanks for posting it). That if it is performed by a competent PS, it is more than a "quick fix."
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MACS Lift

Postby Daedalus » Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:40 pm

I am getting the MACS lift in vancouver canada my PS doesnt want to move my check muscles up. I disagree. Anyone have any ideas ? :roll:
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