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Skin tightening with ReFirme ST

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Skin tightening with ReFirme ST

Postby BobbeAnne » Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:06 pm

Went to a demonstration of ReFirme ST last night. Has anyone had any experience with it? Does it work? Suppose to target signs of aging, including jowl and neck laxity, nasolabial folds and other areas. they said it had just been approved by the Food and Drug Administration. Any feedback????
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Postby ubear » Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:39 pm

I have actually seen the results from the refirme. We received it recently where I work. We have treated a handful of people so far and the results are instant! It is a subtle tightening and lifting of the skin. I am interested in seeing more people try this procedure and have multiple treatments. I think it is a great option to more invasive procedures.
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Postby deborahgym2 » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:30 pm

Hi there,
was wondering if refirme ST is similar to thermage, or is it a completely different procedure? :?: Thanks,
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Postby Morrisbelle » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:34 pm

Whoa! I'd like to know more about this too! Do tell...

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Postby lollipop » Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:10 am

you can get the same result with egg whites, a subtle tightening. Its all temporary and doesnt last.Save your $$$ and get surgery that will last a lot longer. All those new procedures like thermage and the titan are hoaxes and possibly dangerous.Any improvement is usually very temporary.I wish someone would hold these companies and salepeople accountable.
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Postby ubear » Fri Jan 19, 2007 8:11 am

Egg whites do not penetrate the dermis... anyway, i have worked with elos and rf for over 3 years, and clients are happy. It is using RF and IR light to heat tissue and stimulate collagen remodeling. It is very gentle and doesn't come with the side effects and possible damage that thermage comes with. Your skin doesn't even get red! Believe me, I was skeptical as well, but after seeing it work on people I am very excited about it!
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Postby sprawl » Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:10 am

Ihave had 3 treatments spaced 30 days apart. Terrific results.
I absolutley look younger, firmer. ReFirme does everything it
promises to do. Some spas are doing the treatments sooner
than 30 days in between. There won't be any change if the
collagen doesn't have a chance to develop. Maintainance should
be every 4 to 6 months depending on need. It is the best investment
for my face that I have made.
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Postby LookinUp » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:50 am

They trialed the machine for 6 months in the office next door...didn't charge patients ....the results are soooo subtle, you can't even see them unless they are pointed out....too much money, no results...I'd skip it and find something that really works...(the patients rated the changes (or lack thereof), and independent experienced professionals rated them as well). The patients reported more 'change' than the objective professionals, and even what they reported was extremely subtle). Psychology definitely can help alter your perception...when one thinks they are getting a top of the line treatment, they expect to see results, so they do(whether actually there or not)...the Emperor's new clothes phenomenon.
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Postby sprawl » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:41 pm

The results that I have had with ReFirme after three treatments
are not subtle. I look much younger. You should find out
who in your area does this treatment and compare prices. The
price range can vary as much as $500.
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Non-Surgical Facelifting

Postby Believer » Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:02 am

I honestly can't comment on ReFirme as such, because I know zilch about their 'technology' and exactly what their treatment encompasses, however, I CAN comment on Microcurrent and Galvanic treatments, because I perform these regularly.
Firstly, they DO WORK, but not the same on every client! My favourite clients are in their mid to late 50's and have enjoyed the sun some ... the treatment softens their skin gradually ... everything is gradual ... so prices should also be GRADUAL (I only charge $20- and hour but end up giving another hour for free, because I know it works, but not only in 1 hour!) ... as their skin slowly 'softens' and regains it's youthful texture and blood circulation, so it begins to GRADUALLY PLUMP OUT AGAIN, the facial muscles begin to strengthen again and in so doing, the fine lines begin to disappear too! IT DOES WORK! It requires patience ... preferably 3 REASONABLY priced treatments within the 1st week or first 2 weeks at most, thereafter, a further 3 treatments given 1x per week and VOILA! You can start the 1x monthly maintenance treatments ... BUT ... if you want this to work BEST, daily HOME/SELF treatments with a tiny handhold device and the SAME GELS your Beauty Therapist uses (as long as they are IONIZED!!!!!! Few know this!) ... then ... HEE HAAA you're on the road to SUCCESS and YOUTHFULNESS again. :lol: Explanation on IONIZED products vs Non-Ionized products and probably the reason why other treatments AREN'T working as they should - just email me and I'll send you the article written by one of SA's top plastic surgeons who performs BOTH surgical & Non-surgical procedures!

The trouble is, people are charging FAR, FAR, FAR too much for their equipment in the first place, some far more inferior than others (I know - I've tried and tested!), so the poor therapists are forced to charge high rates in order to recupe their investments + rentals etc.
Good luck!
MICROCURRENT does work ladies ... just make sure that your therapist IS NOT USING ANY OLD ECG CONDUCTIVE GEL, which won't work!!!!! and don't over-pay and keep maintaining at home, even for only 5 - 10mins daily or en route to work etc.
Love, light and YOUTHFUL FACES!
@nnie / South Africa :wink:
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Postby Believer » Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:19 am

Just want to thank those of you who have PM'd me :lol: your compliments and willingness to learn more, is most encouraging! :P

Who knows ... maybe you too will set up a home business offering the treatments that I do, one day! :roll:

The only drawback with a device as sophisticated as mine, is that it's not NEARLY as easy to SELF treat as the majority of others available today :cry: ... so you'd have to train another in order to indulge! :wink:

All the best ... love, light and successful LIFTING!
@nnie :wink:

PS: I forgot to mention that the best hand hold (ie. HOME MAINTENANCE treatment device for daily use between professional treatments) which I have PERSONALLY come across, (and have no affiliate to, whatsoever!) is called the UP5 (Asian made - available under this name in the UK - see GOOGLE) ... but needs to be adjusted for USA use, so there HAS TO BE an USA agent for these ... just do the necessary homework. :wink:
The reason WHY these units appeal to me PERSONALLY, is because they offer the CRUCIAL GALVANIC Treatments (ie. DEEP CLEANSING / Desincrustation and DEEP HYDRATING (using your ampoule of choice when desired) / IONTOPHORESIS!!!!!! The others only seem to mention / offer MICROCURRENT ... a different current (used for lifting / repairing) ... won't work the same for cleansing & hydrating, no matter what the manufacturer / agent tells you! :?
Self treatments are much easier to perform with a single unit to hold as opposed to trying to operate 2 individual electrodes / probes ... that get's a bit tricky.
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Postby patrod » Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:14 pm

Why did you have to say that!! I paid twice that for the Nu-face. I think, I'll wait and see how it does with the ionized gel. You could easily use a transformer to change the UP5 to 120V.

The Nu-face has a dial where you can adjust the current. Max is 500hz. But your just guessing. It looks like the lifting setting is about half at 250hz.

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Postby tym4pla » Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:23 pm


I am a 60 yr old woman who is starting to see the signs of aging around my mouth. I just recently went for a consult for ReFirm and she made it sound that there would an improvement to my face and neck with 3 treatments, three weeks apart. She also told me that this would cost me $7,000.00. I am a little hesitant on that kind of money for a non-invasive procedure. Has anyone out there had this procedure done and if so can you please tell me what you think about it and what you paid for it.


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Postby DCNGA » Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:48 pm

That is a ridiculous amount of $ for a procedure that is highly selective in whom it imparts "improvement" and who sees little to no improvement.

You can have a deep peel (phenol) which is invasive for a fraction of that amount and have noticable results. You will have downtime and it's not a picnic, but I would sure rather know that if I was spending that much $, I would and could depend on noticable improvement from the procedure.

I would encourage you to do more research and ask the "technician" if you will be given a refund, or partial refund if before/after pictures do not show a DEFINITE improvement.

Good luck.

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Postby tym4pla » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:13 pm

I think its a lot of money too. I can get a face and neck lift for $10,000.00. I have made an appointment with a doctor to get another opinion.

Thanks for your imput
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