I must counter the recommendation in this thread for Dr. H. I've read a couple favorable experiences but I had a very poor outcome indeed.

yeah, so did another poster who frequents this forum often. I would stay away.

I had mine with my dad's surgeon like six months ago the doctor is one of the best doctors in the world he is the president of the academy of cosmetic surgeons in mexico the name of the doctor is jose luis salas. First I look for his resume by line I know is my dad's surgeon but I need it to know more of the doctor because it was my nose and my body and I did my search on the net and also I Saw some pictures of some patients and other friends of my parents I was really sure about the surgeon, about the price my dad paid for the surgery I didn't pay.
I was really scare but I saw the clinic and the nurses I was more relax to do it and the service was great !!

If you're gonna troll the boards telling people that a Dr messed up your nose then please post proof. Your unsubstantiated comments don't help patients make decisions -- and don't add real value to the board.
They confuse people, and subract from the credibility of the forum.

I'm pleased with the progress of my revision with Dr Hilinski and I've backed it up with pics. So have others on this forum, good and bad. I don't cheerlead for my doc, cause it's not useful. I state my observations and let people use my pics as a data point.

We should be helping each other out by sharing real data (pictures). You don't even have to trash your doc if you post your pics. If your nose is messed up, people will see it for what it is and help base their decision on that.

Oracle, I'm glad you had a good experience with Hilinski but I'm extremely private and haven't any interest in posting photos on a board that Hilinski keeps an eye on. If he cannot improve what he did, then it has always been my plan to let my photos speak for themselves. But to do so now would be unwise.

In the meantime, I have an experience that is negative enough for me to feel obligated to post when this doctor is mentioned. There were very few warning signs when I was researching him quite a while ago and I post (albeit without detail and with sentiment) because any and all input about him would have likely helped me make a better decision when I chose him as my surgeon.

When people PM me, I tell them about my experience in detail, if they're relatively trustworthy forum members. We're all skeptical here. Photos are of course the standard for judgment but should not be requisite for posting one's experience, good or bad. When someone raves without photos, it's more of a giveaway, yes. But if the reader cares enough and is invested enough in one's experience helping to determine his/her decision, they'll probe further via PM or otherwise. It's down to the individual if they wish to disregard a post entirely or not- but to say vague but honest posts subtract from the credibility of the forum is not a true statement.

Hilinski seems to have certain strengths and weaknesses. Over the years I have read accounts that vary greatly. I never expected to have such a negative experience with him and it is good that positive ones like yours are around to paint a fair picture of his work. But to generally discredit every statement without images would likely do more harm than good.

I am planning on consulting with Hilisinki in January. I saw Oracle's pics and his nose looked amazing and I also saw TTs pic and it looked horrible. I am wondering what circumstances and nose structure make for good healing. I am going to at least hear what he has to say since he is driving distance.

That's a fair enough question, BUT, I wouldn't jump to assume that it's the patients body's fault if and when a result doesn't come out 'right'...

There are very importantly also factors involving the surgeon and surgical choices that can play into this...

In this particular example, you are attempting to rationalize that 'maybe' the person whose nose 'looked horrible' was possibly a 'difficult' case...
But it might be also possible that the nose that came out 'amazing' was partly due to luck, or some uncontrolled circumstance....

This is not necessarily anything about the particular surgeon, but just something to be noted in rhinoplasty in general...
The field seems a bit iffy, in spite of all the glitzy razzmatazzy web advertising...
But it's very understandble how people would 'fall for it'.... I did....

jeanneban wrote:I am planning on consulting with Hilisinki in January. I saw Oracle's pics and his nose looked amazing and I also saw TTs pic and it looked horrible. I am wondering what circumstances and nose structure make for good healing. I am going to at least hear what he has to say since he is driving distance.

oracle03 wrote:If you're gonna troll the boards telling people that a Dr messed up your nose then please post proof. Your unsubstantiated comments don't help patients make decisions -- and don't add real value to the board.
They confuse people, and subract from the credibility of the forum.

I'm pleased with the progress of my revision with Dr Hilinski and I've backed it up with pics. So have others on this forum, good and bad. I don't cheerlead for my doc, cause it's not useful. I state my observations and let people use my pics as a data point.

We should be helping each other out by sharing real data (pictures). You don't even have to trash your doc if you post your pics. If your nose is messed up, people will see it for what it is and help base their decision on that.

TT has been pretty adamant about informing others of said doctor's complete ineptitude in working with his nasal structure. He has also not been shy in providing pictures; many have seen them, thus perhaps you should PM him or send an email and hope he will oblige. In fact, he hosted a whole thread dedicated to the unfortunate outcome.

The purpose of these boards is to help people out, and if I have seen negative results performed by a doctor another is considering, I feel it is beneficial to let that poster know that I have knowledge that may be of value. It is completely disadvantageous to keep one's mouth shut when he/she may help prevent another nasal "tragedy", so to speak.

I've had no experience with the doctor mentioned above, but I've read enough about him from those who are unhappy with his results to be wary, even though he may routinely produce good results. The consequences of the situation now facing TT are enormous, and a surgeon of such (supposed) high caliber should not be making such grave errors in surgical or aesthetic judgment.

Always consider for what reason a person posts.....

The unhappy/untoward-result patient will not get any money or related advantage by posting their testimonial....
Yet, these patients seem to be the ones that are always getting slammed...

Whereas, a 'happy' patient testimonial probably should be more scrutinized, since there is potentially money in it....
In other words, the testimonial could be a veiled 'advertisement' for the surgeon...
YES, there IS money in this, because 'happy' testimonials sell nose jobs...

Unhappy testimonials do NOT sell nose jobs...
(And a competing surgeon would not falsify posts against another surgeon, because they would rightfully fear legal and regulatory action, and being sued by the slandered surgeon... Plus, any competing surgeon would do far better, and sell more nose jobs if they just simply 'had positive testimonials posted' about themself... So, it's more the positive posts that should be questioned, if any are going to be....)

basuraeuropea wrote:
TT has been pretty adamant about informing others of said doctor's complete ineptitude in working with his nasal structure. He has also not been shy in providing pictures; many have seen them, thus perhaps you should PM him or send an email and hope he will oblige. In fact, he hosted a whole thread dedicated to the unfortunate outcome.

The purpose of these boards is to help people out, and if I have seen negative results performed by a doctor another is considering, I feel it is beneficial to let that poster know that I have knowledge that may be of value. It is completely disadvantageous to keep one's mouth shut when he/she may help prevent another nasal "tragedy", so to speak.

I've had no experience with the doctor mentioned above, but I've read enough about him from those who are unhappy with his results to be wary, even though he may routinely produce good results. The consequences of the situation now facing TT are enormous, and a surgeon of such (supposed) high caliber should not be making such grave errors in surgical or aesthetic judgment.

Unhappy testimonials do NOT sell nose jobs...

Unhappy testimonials without useful info for prospective patients (pictures) lack credibility. Same with positive posts.

I know, it stinks that this board makes you rate your satisfaction. It's hard to quantify when you post a 3-week post-op update since it's way too soon to tell. But, you can post objective photos with no "opinions" on some other photo site and post the link. When someone asks about a doc that messed you up or fixed you up, simply lead them to your photos and offer them a chance to form their own opinion. Other info about bedside manner, cost, etc. is useful, but most people are prioritizing aesthetics above all else.

My point is, it's harder for people to wade through the info on this board when people don't back up their statements / advice with pictures.

I was almost scared away from getting my revision because of a few people posting negative stuff about my doc. But, their advice didn't have much substance since they refused to share photos at the time -- I asked Turtle back in August, before my op.
Maybe I got lucky. But if I didn't, I'd be regretful that those who tried to "warn" me weren't selfless enough to share their photos.

I totally understand what you mean....
But it's a mistake to discount or discard patient testimonials on the basis of having pictures or not.... I've learnt that the hard way.....
Patient testimonials do NOT lack credibility just because there are no pictures...
You yourself may choose not to regard them, but that doesn't at all mean they lack credibility just because of that....
Again though, I totally understand your frustration, because I was there myself before and thinking all of this (2 years+ ago)....

Also, very importantly, there are other factors about a surgery that can't relate to photos...
For instance, there are no photos that can show how rigid a nose is after a certain surgeon's rib grafting...
Nor can pics show the discomfort/pain associated with the nose, or a 'stored' rib piece behind the ear.... or dysfunction in the area where the (large amount of) rib was 'harvested'....
Of course, such things as these are probably more common in aggressive/radical surgeries, than in, say, closed rhino with no grafting and only minor/mild changes (.... but sometimes a surgery can be extreme, yet the appearance changes (in a pic) LOOK minor)

oracle03 wrote:

Unhappy testimonials do NOT sell nose jobs...

Unhappy testimonials without useful info for prospective patients (pictures) lack credibility. Same with positive posts.

I know, it stinks that this board makes you rate your satisfaction. It's hard to quantify when you post a 3-week post-op update since it's way too soon to tell. But, you can post objective photos with no "opinions" on some other photo site and post the link. When someone asks about a doc that messed you up or fixed you up, simply lead them to your photos and offer them a chance to form their own opinion. Other info about bedside manner, cost, etc. is useful, but most people are prioritizing aesthetics above all else.

My point is, it's harder for people to wade through the info on this board when people don't back up their statements / advice with pictures.

I was almost scared away from getting my revision because of a few people posting negative stuff about my doc. But, their advice didn't have much substance since they refused to share photos at the time -- I asked Turtle back in August, before my op.
Maybe I got lucky. But if I didn't, I'd be regretful that those who tried to "warn" me weren't selfless enough to share their photos.

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Just about all Frankel does is revisions. There are other docs at his clinic that do other types of surgeries (just like Nassif and other's offices/clinics), but Frankel does mostly rhinoplasty revisions - what he is known for. I am not sure he would be good for a primary, because the jest I get is that his forte is to "build the nose up", often fixing very screwed up noses that need grafts, etc. I have read (this forum) about him turning away potential clients before because he did not feel they would need a primary rhinoplasty and it would compromise the integrity of their nose. (One guy was turned away by Frankel, then went to Nassif and got his nose done there, then it collapsed. Don't know what happened after that - just what I read here, and did not follow case.) I have heard countless horror stories about Daniels - this forum.

geez. some of these doctor's are very rude. There is another one in LA (not a nose surgeon) who is probably one of the rudest people I have ever met. I think he hates women.

I am consulting with Frankel next month and I will see what he has to say about my nose.

whatiswrongwithyou wrote:I had a consultation with dr frankel years ago and not only did he not know anything about revisions , he even insulted me with a stupid remark that offended me. He seemed to be aesthetically blind to what a good nose should look like. He disagreed with everything i told him and he wanted to make my nose wider, he said that the only thing he knew how to do or could do (dont remember his exact wording) was add to my nose because it was less riskier than taking away from the nose.

He seems to not be good at rhinoplasties involving revision that needs to be made smaller or cut because he was very adamant about not how there is nothing he could do for me except for making my nose longer or wider , So i pretty much wasted my time and paid 200$ for nothing , he thought it would be funny for him to throw in a mean comment about my blonde hair as a good way to end the consult. JERK
this is what he said AFTER STARING AT MY HEAD /HAIR FOR A MINUTE AND LISTENING TO ME TALK ,

"YOU SEE GETTING A NOSE JOB ISNT AS EASY AS IT IS TO MAKE YOURSELF BLONDE"!

STUPID JACKHOLE , im very sensitive and that really brought me down. What kind of a doctor would say something so hurtful to someone who already has a problem with their appearance , at least i didnt let him touch my nose

some doctors do not understand how revision patiens feel .. i am sure they meet alot of silly people who wants perfection and ask for the impossible but they shouldnt mix them with those who suffer from a previous surgery .. where every little comment might really hurt