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Consultations with Menick, Davis, Le for revision soon

Consultations with Menick, Davis, Le for revision soon

Postby notsureanymore » Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:37 pm

I had rhinoplasty done May of 2016. Like everyone else on this board, it was the biggest mistake of my life. (No breathing problems luckily)

Now i'm stuck with a nose thats too small for my face, feminine, and i've completely lost my identity. No idea who i am anymore. I dropped out of school in the summer semester and the fall semester.


I was rejected by Dr. Frankel for even a consultation. I sent my pictures to him and he said that he does not think he could help me. He suggested that i leave it alone and is not convinced any amount of surgery will help me. Which was very odd in my opinion.


I've sent my b/a pictures to Menick and he didn't reject a consultation. He told me "in general, your bridge can be raised to recreate your old nasal appearance."


I have a consultation with Menick this weekend, Davis in April (I told the girl to put me on a waitlist if anyone cancelled and she called me back 2 hours later), and Le in the end of May.


What should i expect? Any input/advice?
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Re: Consultations with Menick, Davis, Le for revision soon

Postby Rhinosucks » Wed Mar 08, 2017 5:25 pm

what are you looking for/ what are you issues?
why did he say leave it alone/ Did he say there is nothing wrong with it? or it was beyond repair?
do you want your old nose restored?
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Re: Consultations with Menick, Davis, Le for revision soon

Postby notsureanymore » Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:13 pm

Rhinosucks wrote:what are you looking for/ what are you issues?
why did he say leave it alone/ Did he say there is nothing wrong with it? or it was beyond repair?
do you want your old nose restored?



Its too small and feminine, basically a cookie cutter nose. Lost its masculinity. The bridge was brought down and tip projected too much (perfectly straight profile, but doesn't flow with my face). It was narrowed too much, the right side has an indent in it. Nostrils are pinched in. Asymmetrical.


Dr. Frankels assistant said, "Dr. Frankel wanted you to know that he understands what you are requesting. Unfortunately, he does not have the confidence that he will be able to bring your nose back to that appearance; and because you already look acceptable with no obvious deformities or imbalance (at least objectively to anyone else) the risk is high that you would still be unhappy after a surgery."

I said that I respected his professional/expert opinion and moved on. I'm not upset that he rejected me, because of his price. But there are VERY obvious deformities and imbalances, so I don't know what his deal was.

Yes, all-in-all, I would like my old nose "restored".

Have you had a revision or any experience with any of the above Drs? I've done so much searching on this site I forgot who is who




Also, Menick said in his emails, "Without seeing you in person is difficult to know whether your desired results can be achieved. Certainly the bridge can be raised and the nostril shape improved. It is more difficult to widen the nasal bones. A lot will depend on how the previous rhinoplasty was performed and what materials–especially the septum–was removed. I may be able to provide more information after reviewing your operative report."



"Operative report received. No surgery should be performed until about a year after your last rhinoplasty. Depending on the final decisions regarding the changes needed, it may be necessary to use rib cartilage. Perhaps residual cartilage or ear cartilage will be satisfactory."


He agreed with the issues that I stated

So as you can see, i'm getting very different opinions from "top surgeons"
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Re: Consultations with Menick, Davis, Le for revision soon

Postby Rhinosucks » Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:23 am

notsureanymore wrote:
Rhinosucks wrote:what are you looking for/ what are you issues?
why did he say leave it alone/ Did he say there is nothing wrong with it? or it was beyond repair?
do you want your old nose restored?



Its too small and feminine, basically a cookie cutter nose. Lost its masculinity. The bridge was brought down and tip projected too much (perfectly straight profile, but doesn't flow with my face). It was narrowed too much, the right side has an indent in it. Nostrils are pinched in. Asymmetrical.


Dr. Frankels assistant said, "Dr. Frankel wanted you to know that he understands what you are requesting. Unfortunately, he does not have the confidence that he will be able to bring your nose back to that appearance; and because you already look acceptable with no obvious deformities or imbalance (at least objectively to anyone else) the risk is high that you would still be unhappy after a surgery."

I said that I respected his professional/expert opinion and moved on. I'm not upset that he rejected me, because of his price. But there are VERY obvious deformities and imbalances, so I don't know what his deal was.

Yes, all-in-all, I would like my old nose "restored".

Have you had a revision or any experience with any of the above Drs? I've done so much searching on this site I forgot who is who




Also, Menick said in his emails, "Without seeing you in person is difficult to know whether your desired results can be achieved. Certainly the bridge can be raised and the nostril shape improved. It is more difficult to widen the nasal bones. A lot will depend on how the previous rhinoplasty was performed and what materials–especially the septum–was removed. I may be able to provide more information after reviewing your operative report."



"Operative report received. No surgery should be performed until about a year after your last rhinoplasty. Depending on the final decisions regarding the changes needed, it may be necessary to use rib cartilage. Perhaps residual cartilage or ear cartilage will be satisfactory."


He agreed with the issues that I stated

So as you can see, i'm getting very different opinions from "top surgeons"

ok I see.
Yes every surgeon I reach out to immediately states they can help me with rib to get more length (shocked my doctor significantly shortened my nose at all on purpose- without consent) and my scooped out my bridge. one told me I need more work then he can perform and referred me to Dr T. All the surgeons I spoke with are surprised by the difference between my birth nose and my (unplanned) primary - I was there for septum, surgery. Its been devastating. They all agree my doctor, who was focused on my nose being "too long for my face" should never have shortened my nose. that it was fine and the right size for my face, wasn't unsightly, and he completely ruined my ethnic look. I pray every day for a solution and am disgusted that I have to rebuild a new nose to get back to the one I never wanted changed. and look my natural nose wasn't perfect, but it was mine and I asked it not be changed.
Each surgeon has also made clear that I will never get my birth nose back, but that many of my features _length and bridge- can be a bit more restored.
so I am in a very different situation then you. and I started reaching out 2 weeks after primary, since I never wanted rhino and was shocked when cast come off and cry every single day. I am 10 weeks post op and 1 year cannot come soon enough.
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Re: Consultations with Menick, Davis, Le for revision soon

Postby catheal09 » Thu Mar 09, 2017 4:11 am

notsureanymore wrote:
Rhinosucks wrote:what are you looking for/ what are you issues?
why did he say leave it alone/ Did he say there is nothing wrong with it? or it was beyond repair?
do you want your old nose restored?



Its too small and feminine, basically a cookie cutter nose. Lost its masculinity. The bridge was brought down and tip projected too much (perfectly straight profile, but doesn't flow with my face). It was narrowed too much, the right side has an indent in it. Nostrils are pinched in. Asymmetrical.


Dr. Frankels assistant said, "Dr. Frankel wanted you to know that he understands what you are requesting. Unfortunately, he does not have the confidence that he will be able to bring your nose back to that appearance; and because you already look acceptable with no obvious deformities or imbalance (at least objectively to anyone else) the risk is high that you would still be unhappy after a surgery."

I said that I respected his professional/expert opinion and moved on. I'm not upset that he rejected me, because of his price. But there are VERY obvious deformities and imbalances, so I don't know what his deal was.

Yes, all-in-all, I would like my old nose "restored".

Have you had a revision or any experience with any of the above Drs? I've done so much searching on this site I forgot who is who




Also, Menick said in his emails, "Without seeing you in person is difficult to know whether your desired results can be achieved. Certainly the bridge can be raised and the nostril shape improved. It is more difficult to widen the nasal bones. A lot will depend on how the previous rhinoplasty was performed and what materials–especially the septum–was removed. I may be able to provide more information after reviewing your operative report."



"Operative report received. No surgery should be performed until about a year after your last rhinoplasty. Depending on the final decisions regarding the changes needed, it may be necessary to use rib cartilage. Perhaps residual cartilage or ear cartilage will be satisfactory."


He agreed with the issues that I stated

So as you can see, i'm getting very different opinions from "top surgeons"


You should be glad that Frankel turned you down. From what I've seen he's the kind of doctor that over reduces noses in the first place.

There are a few select doctors that are good at building the nose up instead of reducing them. Menick Davis and Le are some of them :)
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Re: Consultations with Menick, Davis, Le for revision soon

Postby notsureanymore » Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:38 pm

@rhinosucks: Yup, i know that feel. I am sorry to hear about your situation. I'm 10 months post-op so im getting to the home stretch. It has been the longest/worst year of my life. My best advice would be to keep hope and to NOT isolate yourself, that will only make depression worse.

Which surgeons have you talked to/sent pictures to?




@catheal: Yeah, i'm not too upset about getting rejected by him. My #1 choice is Le, then Davis, then Menick.
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Re: Consultations with Menick, Davis, Le for revision soon

Postby Rhinosucks » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:10 pm

@notsureanymore- i cant go out looking like this. its bananas. this man knew I didnt want plastic surgery and he performed a full rhino. Its unbelievable.
I just cant forgive myself. I am not sure how much more clear I could have been that morning in ur conversation that he was NOT TO SHORTEN my nose. I have been butchered. my osseous shorter by 6 mm at least, my ethnic tip and familial tip I had is gone completely- sutured up and cut off 5mm, I have a graft for projection......but was cut. My natural nose was fine. I loved it enough to not touch it for 46 years. I really cannot believe what he did to me, if he was going to do something at least be less invasive...

I am looking into Davis mainly at this time. since i need total rebuild (bridge and length, projection and tip) A close second is Lamperti, but thats based on his internet pictures, demeanor, and videos_ I would love more first hand patient accounts. And I hear he can take patients at 10 months versus the over 1 year of Davis (not that this should be rushed)...
also looking into DR Pearlmann. I had Dr Le on the list, but his surgery time concerns me...its a bit long to be under anesthesia IMHO. but depends on what you want and if there is none else who can deliver the results.
Ruled out Menick and Kassir and Hamilton and Frankel- each for different reasons, none related to skill or ability to produce a possible positive outcome.
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Re: Consultations with Menick, Davis, Le for revision soon

Postby Rhinosucks » Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:10 pm

@notsureanymore- i cant go out looking like this. its bananas. this man knew I didnt want plastic surgery and he performed a full rhino. Its unbelievable.
I just cant forgive myself. I am not sure how much more clear I could have been that morning in ur conversation that he was NOT TO SHORTEN my nose. I have been butchered. my osseous shorter by 6 mm at least, my ethnic tip and familial tip I had is gone completely- sutured up and cut off 5mm, I have a graft for projection......but was cut. My natural nose was fine. I loved it enough to not touch it for 46 years. I really cannot believe what he did to me, if he was going to do something at least be less invasive...

I am looking into Davis mainly at this time. since i need total rebuild (bridge and length, projection and tip) A close second is Lamperti, but thats based on his internet pictures, demeanor, and videos_ I would love more first hand patient accounts. And I hear he can take patients at 10 months versus the over 1 year of Davis (not that this should be rushed)...
also looking into DR Pearlmann. I had Dr Le on the list, but his surgery time concerns me...its a bit long to be under anesthesia IMHO. but depends on what you want and if there is none else who can deliver the results.
Ruled out Menick and Kassir and Hamilton and Frankel- each for different reasons, none related to skill or ability to produce a possible positive outcome.
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Re: Consultations with Menick, Davis, Le for revision soon

Postby notsureanymore » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:10 pm

Had consultation with Menick on Monday. Said I'd need rib cartilage harvested to build up my bridge, which i expected. Quoted me $17k.

However, I felt very rushed. I told him what I wanted and then he suggested some of his own ideas, which I didn't like. He said, "of course we can build up the bridge and a dorsal hump, its up to you to decide how much" then handed me the pencil to draw. I am not an artist so I didn't like that pressure. Didn't really like his aesthetics. He didn't do computer morphs, only drew on the pictures he took of me.

Showed me a picture of someone that had two prior rhinoplasties and then went to him to get it "restored to her original nose" (higher bridge, slight convexity, dorsal hump) and it looked pretty similar to the original nose.
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Re: Consultations with Menick, Davis, Le for revision soon

Postby Rhinosucks » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:35 am

notsureanymore wrote:Had consultation with Menick on Monday. Said I'd need rib cartilage harvested to build up my bridge, which i expected. Quoted me $17k.

However, I felt very rushed. I told him what I wanted and then he suggested some of his own ideas, which I didn't like. He said, "of course we can build up the bridge and a dorsal hump, its up to you to decide how much" then handed me the pencil to draw. I am not an artist so I didn't like that pressure. Didn't really like his aesthetics. He didn't do computer morphs, only drew on the pictures he took of me.

Showed me a picture of someone that had two prior rhinoplasties and then went to him to get it "restored to her original nose" (higher bridge, slight convexity, dorsal hump) and it looked pretty similar to the original nose.


he had a few bad reviews here that seriously concerned me. I you feel uncomfortable or not on sam page at all , don't do it. Thats why I should have ran from my primary. the minute he suggested plastic and recommend shortened nose to me at all during septum consult. The several days before and the day I knew to leave or not go.Every part of said it, but I felt guilty canceling...which is crazy and left me looking deformed.
Are you consulting with anyone else?
i see Davis and Le in Sept, thinking Ion in London. I have 3 friends who just consulted with him and scheduled surgery, they are over the moon with the morphs.
please keep me posted.
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Re: Consultations with Menick, Davis, Le for revision soon

Postby notsureanymore » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:07 pm

@rhinosucks - I have a consultation with Davis the first week of April and a consultation with Le the third week of April (I explained my situation in thorough detail and got my consultation moved up, it was originally to be in May).
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Re: Consultations with Menick, Davis, Le for revision soon

Postby Rhinosucks » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:05 pm

notsureanymore wrote:@rhinosucks - I have a consultation with Davis the first week of April and a consultation with Le the third week of April (I explained my situation in thorough detail and got my consultation moved up, it was originally to be in May).


thats great news! please keep me posted. send me a PM with your email.
good luck!
I cant wait to get restored, god willing, I want my life back and my face.
i cant believe my primary did this to me after i told him not to shorten my nose, i liked my nose as is.. I cant believe i woke up to everything gone....
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Re: Consultations with Menick, Davis, Le for revision soon

Postby Rhinosucks » Wed May 10, 2017 4:22 pm

notsureanymore wrote:@rhinosucks - I have a consultation with Davis the first week of April and a consultation with Le the third week of April (I explained my situation in thorough detail and got my consultation moved up, it was originally to be in May).


how did your consults go??
any decision?
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