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Dr. Davis- Rumors vs Reality

Re: Dr. Davis- Rumors vs Reality

Postby libutti » Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:51 am

catheal09 wrote:
libutti wrote:
JR11 wrote:Hi Libutti

I am sorry for your result - we are all on this board because we have been in the same position. I think possibly what you are getting confused by is assuming that the computer morph is an exact replica of your final result - that is not the case. It is too give you an idea of what the surgeon would ideally like to achieve, but the surgeon makes it clear that the result cannot be guaranteed. I have consulted with Dr Davis and he was very clear to me that the morph was not a guarantee - it was a 'target'. Maybe that is where the communication has broken down with the language barrier?

As it happens, I think your front view looks great - and to me, it looks just like the morph. From the profile view however there is a bit of supra tip fullness, which I can understand you are not happy with. I wouldn't be happy with that either if it was my nose. But if you had worked with Dr Davis, maybe this is something he could have fixed for you with a revision procedure. With rhinoplasty, it is just a matter of fact that a relatively high number of people will need a touch up procedure later.

I have met most of the big name rhinoplasty surgeons and Dr Davis is the most honest and straight forward I have met. He is not a salesman and doesn't make false promises or guarantees - he lay's it out very squarely, what he can do, what he can't do and what the potential risks are. After that, it is up to you and whether you want to proceed in full knowledge of what you are getting in to.

Hi JR11,
i'm sorry but i not disagree with your thinking. Because the front view is wide and poorly defined, and not let's talk of the side view.
Therefore, this can not be called a good cosmetic surgery, but simply a badly executed attempt, by a doctor who was not up.


I saw your photos and yes it could be more defined. It looks improved from the front though. It's not a disaster. Why not go back to him for a revision?

My nose is FIFTEEN DEGREES more upturned than my morph. 15 degrees!! That's what happens when the doctor doesn't even try. Yours looks similar at least.

I agree with your comment that the result is not a disaster and simply just a mediocre aesthetic result, so is a failure.
Therefore, i agree with alessio01, the dr. davis never admits its failures and invents absurd excuse for not taking responsibility for their own work.
Moreover, this doctor has had the arrogance to write in an email, who had made a perfect intervention, this is an obvious insult to the patient.
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Re: Dr. Davis- Rumors vs Reality

Postby catheal09 » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:18 pm

I saw your photos and yes it could be more defined. It looks improved from the front though. It's not a disaster. Why not go back to him for a revision?

My nose is FIFTEEN DEGREES more upturned than my morph. 15 degrees!! That's what happens when the doctor doesn't even try. Yours looks similar at least.[/quote]
I agree with your comment that the result is not a disaster and simply just a mediocre aesthetic result, so is a failure.
Therefore, i agree with alessio01, the dr. davis never admits its failures and invents absurd excuse for not taking responsibility for their own work.
Moreover, this doctor has had the arrogance to write in an email, who had made a perfect intervention, this is an obvious insult to the patient.[/quote]

Mediocre is no reason to be complaining for years.... Did he offer you a revision?

Did you create the username alessio01??? I asked them for photos but they did not send any. They also said they have crooked nose, deviation AND hanging columella, so its kind of hard to believe a doctor would ignore all of those issues.
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Re: Dr. Davis- Rumors vs Reality

Postby libutti » Wed Aug 17, 2016 2:01 am

catheal09 wrote:I saw your photos and yes it could be more defined. It looks improved from the front though. It's not a disaster. Why not go back to him for a revision?

My nose is FIFTEEN DEGREES more upturned than my morph. 15 degrees!! That's what happens when the doctor doesn't even try. Yours looks similar at least.

I agree with your comment that the result is not a disaster and simply just a mediocre aesthetic result, so is a failure.
Therefore, i agree with alessio01, the dr. davis never admits its failures and invents absurd excuse for not taking responsibility for their own work.
Moreover, this doctor has had the arrogance to write in an email, who had made a perfect intervention, this is an obvious insult to the patient.[/quote]

Mediocre is no reason to be complaining for years.... Did he offer you a revision?

Did you create the username alessio01??? I asked them for photos but they did not send any. They also said they have crooked nose, deviation AND hanging columella, so its kind of hard to believe a doctor would ignore all of those issues.[/quote]
I am Libutti and do not you dare say false things, because i only ever wrote my real name.
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Re: Dr. Davis- Rumors vs Reality

Postby JR11 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 5:31 am

Hi Libutti

Maybe one way to resolve this is to post the pictures that Dr Davis took of your nose before he put the plaster on. Dr Davis takes pictures during all of his operations of exactly what he has done and he also takes a picture at the end of the case to show what the final nose should look like, provided your body heals properly. I am sure you already know this, and probably already have those pictures, so perhaps if you post them it will make it very clear for everyone if Dr Davis really did do a bad job or if it was your body that didn't heal properly.
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Re: Dr. Davis- Rumors vs Reality

Postby catheal09 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:07 am

JR11 wrote:Hi Libutti

Maybe one way to resolve this is to post the pictures that Dr Davis took of your nose before he put the plaster on. Dr Davis takes pictures during all of his operations of exactly what he has done and he also takes a picture at the end of the case to show what the final nose should look like, provided your body heals properly. I am sure you already know this, and probably already have those pictures, so perhaps if you post them it will make it very clear for everyone if Dr Davis really did do a bad job or if it was your body that didn't heal properly.


When is your surgery? Will you post updates when you have it?
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Re: Dr. Davis- Rumors vs Reality

Postby JR11 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:21 am

Hi Catheal - I have replied to your PM!
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Re: Dr. Davis- Rumors vs Reality

Postby catheal09 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:29 am

JR11 wrote:Hi Catheal - I have replied to your PM!


Thanks. I didn't get an email when I got a PM, i assumed thought this would notify me!
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Re: Dr. Davis- Rumors vs Reality

Postby JR11 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:45 pm

I've had a couple of PM's from people asking if I have had surgery with Dr Davis yet - my surgery is just over a month from now. Afterwards, I will post a blog to document the recovery / results.
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Re: Dr. Davis- Rumors vs Reality

Postby BiddyGid » Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:04 pm

Libutti, I just want you to know that I have followed your situation with Davis and must state that I admire you for sticking to your word about Davis and his abilities, despite getting beaten up on the boards about your outcome and experience. I did read your review from a while back but decided to go ahead and have surgery with him to fix a previous botched surgery. I wish I didn't. The first rib warped severely and my nose was extremely crooked and deviated. Plus, he did not address the nostrils during the first surgery. I went in again for a second surgery and my nose is still deviated and crooked, my left nostril is still retracted and my other nostril has developed a massive mound of scar tissue. I still cannot breathe. I paid $30,000 and now Davis is ignoring my emails as I am asking for money back to get it fixed elsewhere. I wish to God that I had at least saved myself the money from the 2nd surgery and gone elsewhere, but was desperate for help and couldn't breathe and was scared. I have no idea what I am going to do. It is absolutely devastating.

I just wanted to tell you that you are brave and honorable for coming forth and I wish I had listened to you. If more people like you came forth rather than cowering because if fear of the surgeon or negativity, it would save so many others from making bad mistakes.
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Re: Dr. Davis- Rumors vs Reality

Postby BiddyGid » Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:12 pm

And JR11, it is ok to have believed in Davis prior to your surgery only to be disappointed and unhappy with the outcome. This was me too. I believe the truth will make you feel better and the support from others who have undergone a similar situation will be comforting and helpful. Also, your experience will help others. It is normal to feel some embarrassment and chagrin when you publicly support a doctor and believe in him and defend him, only to be disappointed on all fronts. This was my case but I feel redeemed in that I expressed my outcome and experience and did not hide it. In fact, I felt it was somewhat cathartic. I don't know if you went ahead and had a second surgery with him, but I know from my experinece, it did not help.
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Re: Dr. Davis- Rumors vs Reality

Postby BiddyGid » Sun Aug 06, 2017 1:10 pm

Also, I want to address the comment made about patients not following protocol and therefore their poor outcomes are a result of their own irresponsibilty and Davis blaming patients for poor results. Prior to both surgeries, I stocked up on everything humanly possible to ensure a successful cosmetic and functional outcome. I followed his protocol to a tee and beyond. I work from home so didn't have to leave my house and elevate my heart rate or expose my face to the sun and iced my face constantly for one month each time. I used Flonase as he advsed. I slept with my head elevated on 3 pillows for well over 3 months. I waited for well over 3 months to exercise and even he was surprised I waited that long because of the exercise enthusiast I am. I eat an extremely healthy diet consisting mostly of greens and vegetables and fruits and avoid salt like it's the plague. I kept out of the sun, even closing the drapes during the day and only going out in the evenings if I had to. I did everything one could imagine. Davis still implied that I was somehow the cause of my poor outcome, which btw, was evident the moment the cast came off both times. I used Flonase for 4 months straight and took a break because I was concerned about how much I was using and when I told him this, he gave me a look as if to imply fault in some way. Meanwhile, he never gave me instructions on how long to use it. Davis did not communicate well with me at all. Many of my questions to him were either shrugged off or replied with a indescript grunt. It was not Flonase or anything other than the work performed. I do believe Davis tries to shift blame wherever he can so as to exonarate himself from poor or failed surgical results.
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Re: Dr. Davis- Rumors vs Reality

Postby Metooplease » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:19 pm

Davis did my nose as well. He improved it greatly and I'm very thankful to him. I finally have a nice nose after 20+ years and multiple rhinos. Some other surgeons refused to touch my nose. I met with 5 across the country before deciding on him. I did have an issue after rhino and it was my own fault. I didn't take the medication as told. But he never blamed me for this. I don't come on this forum much anymore but I was randomly on here this weekend. I've been to a few other surgeons for another issue and when they ask who did my nose they know him and say he is highly respected. I wonder if maybe he's going through something because this is not typical Davis behavior. He got back to me right away about questions etc. I even saw someone he trained locally due to a question I had. He set all that up for me. I wish you all the best of luck. I had multiple surgeries. I know how frustrating the journey can be. My nose was collapsing and was rebuilt with ear.
I'm happy to answer PM's but please make sure you have some posting history before contacting me or I probably won't respond, sorry.
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Re: Dr. Davis- Rumors vs Reality

Postby BiddyGid » Sun Aug 06, 2017 3:44 pm

I've seen several rhinoplasty revisionists who all told me my nose is still deviated, my nostril is retracted and the right side is collpased as well as the nostril. This is AFTER 2 Davis revisions. I was told by a revisionist considered one of the best in the country that my nose will need to undergo another 6 hour rib surgery and it will be very complex. How is this after spending $30k? Oh, and it is very nice Davis treated you with respect. He was not that way with me at all. I guess he picks and chooses who he is kind to.
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Re: Dr. Davis- Rumors vs Reality

Postby libuttig » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:17 am

BiddyGid wrote:Libutti, I just want you to know that I have followed your situation with Davis and must state that I admire you for sticking to your word about Davis and his abilities, despite getting beaten up on the boards about your outcome and experience. I did read your review from a while back but decided to go ahead and have surgery with him to fix a previous botched surgery. I wish I didn't. The first rib warped severely and my nose was extremely crooked and deviated. Plus, he did not address the nostrils during the first surgery. I went in again for a second surgery and my nose is still deviated and crooked, my left nostril is still retracted and my other nostril has developed a massive mound of scar tissue. I still cannot breathe. I paid $30,000 and now Davis is ignoring my emails as I am asking for money back to get it fixed elsewhere. I wish to God that I had at least saved myself the money from the 2nd surgery and gone elsewhere, but was desperate for help and couldn't breathe and was scared. I have no idea what I am going to do. It is absolutely devastating.

I just wanted to tell you that you are brave and honorable for coming forth and I wish I had listened to you. If more people like you came forth rather than cowering because if fear of the surgeon or negativity, it would save so many others from making bad mistakes.

Hi BiddyGid, i can know why your review on the dr. richard davis has was removed on the REALSELF?
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Re: Dr. Davis- Rumors vs Reality

Postby libuttig » Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:15 pm

libuttig wrote:
BiddyGid wrote:Libutti, I just want you to know that I have followed your situation with Davis and must state that I admire you for sticking to your word about Davis and his abilities, despite getting beaten up on the boards about your outcome and experience. I did read your review from a while back but decided to go ahead and have surgery with him to fix a previous botched surgery. I wish I didn't. The first rib warped severely and my nose was extremely crooked and deviated. Plus, he did not address the nostrils during the first surgery. I went in again for a second surgery and my nose is still deviated and crooked, my left nostril is still retracted and my other nostril has developed a massive mound of scar tissue. I still cannot breathe. I paid $30,000 and now Davis is ignoring my emails as I am asking for money back to get it fixed elsewhere. I wish to God that I had at least saved myself the money from the 2nd surgery and gone elsewhere, but was desperate for help and couldn't breathe and was scared. I have no idea what I am going to do. It is absolutely devastating.

I just wanted to tell you that you are brave and honorable for coming forth and I wish I had listened to you. If more people like you came forth rather than cowering because if fear of the surgeon or negativity, it would save so many others from making bad mistakes.

Hi BiddyGid, i can know why your review on the dr. richard davis has was removed on the REALSELF?

Dear BiddyGid, in relation my previous question, it would be important very answer, because in the past there have been other negative reviews eliminated on the site REALSELF, with patients who have published their misadventures with this doctor but have also posted photos of their situation.
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