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Recommended journal article

Recommended journal article

Postby syndicate » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:47 pm

I read a really good journal article that was very informative.

The article explains numerous grafts and modifications of these grafts. Then goes on to detail what these grafts accomplish and their uses.
Also nicely details the pros and cons of various grafting sources (ear, septal, rib)

Strongly Recommended

Essential Grafting in the Traumatized Nose by F. Fedok et. al.
In the journal Facial Plastic Surgery by Thieme Medical
Vol 31, 2015
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Re: Recommended journal article

Postby Rhinosucks » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:24 am

Thank you for sharing. I need rib and have no choice. All for rhino I didnt want or even know I was having. i cannot believe the doctor did this to me. Noone can actually. It has been utterly devastating.
I pray you and all other revision seekers who wish they could turn back the hands of time get the results and help they are separately seeking.
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Re: Recommended journal article

Postby syndicate » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:09 pm

Thanks so much
I am so sorry you have to go through this
There are great doctors out there, so dedicated, who can help you
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Re: Recommended journal article

Postby Revisionseeker » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:51 am

Oh please. I'm sorry but you appear hopelessly naive. Maybe you should go ahead and get your revision surgery instead of taking years preaching the praises online of leading surgeons you've never actually been operated on by. I have had 7 rhinoplasties (4 full ops, 3 minor under local) and met countless surgeons for consultations over many years, so I know a thing or two about the revision process. The only thing Toriumi was "so dedicated" about with me was his own narcissistic ego. He has left me with many issues: chronic ear pain during sleep, breathing difficulties, aesthetic issues...and I could go on. You are under delusions about this surgeon's character and supposedly infallible abilities. He is a profoundly flawed surgeon who tends to overbuild his noses and treat patients with contempt when they aren't happy about it.
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Re: Recommended journal article

Postby noseman123 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:37 pm

Syndicate a lot of AAFPRS doctors and AAFPRS fellowship directors are no good. My primary doctor was an AAFPRS fellowship director and still is. Given his skill might be better than the average doctor, he failed to give me satisfactory results and he is motivated by greed alone. And he also knows Dean Toriumi well and he told me several times to not go to Dean. I also met Dr Kridel and thought he was one of the least ethical I had come across. Peer recognition is just one component but keep in mind a lot of these doctors have never even scene most of their "peers" operate. A lot of them dont see the day to day patients of the other doctors. They may see a presentation at a conference but not the average patient result.
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Re: Recommended journal article

Postby Revisionseeker » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:05 am

Peer recognition. Hah. These guys have a pompous doctor club that they belong to and certain well published doctors like Toriumi become elevated to top dog status because other doctors are impressed by their technocratic expertise. Oh, and gullible posters like syndicate. In reality, Toriumi has a pathologically inflated ego akin to some kind of narcissistic personality disorder, combined with often poor aesthetic judgement. Sure, he is capable of sometimes rescuing botched and destroyed noses. He is also capable of ruining patients' lives with his manic overbuilding and contemptuous narcissism, while not giving a flying f*** about it.

A few of Toriumi's positive reviews on the review sites look fake to me, likely written by his staff. I wouldn't be surprised if syndicate's (a curious name, incidentally) not a real rhinoplasty patient either. I wish syndicate well if they are indeed a real revision seeker and hope thy get fixed soon. It's just that their blind support of leading surgeons (without even having been operated on by any of them) is the kind of thing a doctor staff member would do.
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Re: Recommended journal article

Postby libuttig » Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:22 am

Revisionseeker wrote:Peer recognition. Hah. These guys have a pompous doctor club that they belong to and certain well published doctors like Toriumi become elevated to top dog status because other doctors are impressed by their technocratic expertise. Oh, and gullible posters like syndicate. In reality, Toriumi has a pathologically inflated ego akin to some kind of narcissistic personality disorder, combined with often poor aesthetic judgement. Sure, he is capable of sometimes rescuing botched and destroyed noses. He is also capable of ruining patients' lives with his manic overbuilding and contemptuous narcissism, while not giving a flying f*** about it.

A few of Toriumi's positive reviews on the review sites look fake to me, likely written by his staff. I wouldn't be surprised if syndicate's (a curious name, incidentally) not a real rhinoplasty patient either. I wish syndicate well if they are indeed a real revision seeker and hope thy get fixed soon. It's just that their blind support of leading surgeons (without even having been operated on by any of them) is the kind of thing a doctor staff member would do.

A professional is evaluated about his successes or failures, there is no doubt the Dr. Toriumi has very higt number of failures in his patients, we could write a book.
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Re: Recommended journal article

Postby Revisionseeker » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:44 am

Check this out: https://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Dean_Toriumi/reviews

61 ratings but only 21 comments. As if that many patients would bother to register only to leave a rating but no review. Creepy.
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Re: Recommended journal article

Postby Revisionseeker » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:47 am

libuttig wrote:A professional is evaluated about his successes or failures, there is no doubt the Dr. Toriumi has very higt number of failures in his patients, we could write a book.


He has written a book(s). He experiments on unwitting patients for his research.
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Re: Recommended journal article

Postby libuttig » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:56 am

Revisionseeker wrote:
libuttig wrote:A professional is evaluated about his successes or failures, there is no doubt the Dr. Toriumi has very higt number of failures in his patients, we could write a book.


He has written a book(s). He experiments on unwitting patients for his research.

Dear Revisionseeker,
i visited the Vitals website, and i can say that there are some positive reviews that are clearly false, but it does not surprise me, because their aim is to try counter the hundreds of negative reviews that the Dr. Toriumi has.
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Re: Recommended journal article

Postby syndicate » Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:31 pm

In rhinoplasty and revision rhinoplasty there is great debate among numerous surgical techniques to solve deformities; each technique has pros and cons.

Dr Toriumi revolutionized structural rhinoplasty and augmentation rhinoplasty and performs complex maneuvers, such as lower lateral crus transportation, L strut reconstruction or dorsal grafting to correct deformities.
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Re: Recommended journal article

Postby Revisionseeker » Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:06 am

And...?

Pioneering surgeons capable of highly technical complexity can still be profoundly flawed surgeons with faults that deeply undermine their work. Unfortunately, I met and talked to Toriumi countless times over many years and was operated on by him twice. Assuming you are a real prospective patient of his, I know far better than you about his true nature. But go ahead and get operated on by him (assuming you do actually want revision surgery) if you've met him and get along with his character, and his photographic results cause you no concern. You might be one of the lucky ones he doesn't treat like a subhuman.
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Re: Recommended journal article

Postby libuttig » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:06 am

Revisionseeker wrote:And...?

Pioneering surgeons capable of highly technical complexity can still be profoundly flawed surgeons with faults that deeply undermine their work. Unfortunately, I met and talked to Toriumi countless times over many years and was operated on by him twice. Assuming you are a real prospective patient of his, I know far better than you about his true nature. But go ahead and get operated on by him (assuming you do actually want revision surgery) if you've met him and get along with his character, and his photographic results cause you no concern. You might be one of the lucky ones he doesn't treat like a subhuman.

Hi Revisionseeke,
there is no doubt that dr. toriumi it's a great one otorhinolaryngology, is knows perfectly all the techniques to perform a rhinoplasty, but it is not sufficient to guarantee a good result in cosmetic surgery, because it also serves the talent what he does not have.
Therefore, it is sufficient to view his website to realize the fact that its aesthetic results are poor.
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Re: Recommended journal article

Postby Rhinosucks » Thu Feb 01, 2018 4:21 am

noseman123 wrote:Syndicate a lot of AAFPRS doctors and AAFPRS fellowship directors are no good. My primary doctor was an AAFPRS fellowship director and still is. Given his skill might be better than the average doctor, he failed to give me satisfactory results and he is motivated by greed alone. And he also knows Dean Toriumi well and he told me several times to not go to Dean. I also met Dr Kridel and thought he was one of the least ethical I had come across. Peer recognition is just one component but keep in mind a lot of these doctors have never even scene most of their "peers" operate. A lot of them dont see the day to day patients of the other doctors. They may see a presentation at a conference but not the average patient result.


My primary is a well regarded peer recognized, real self top doctor, professor at top research university and fellowship director who butchered me. I was his lesson plan for the day. He in fact presented months after my surgery on "tip suturing techniques" which was pointed out to me at a consult by a revision surgeon who was trying to understand why he "performed every possible suturing technique on my beautiful natural tip that didn't make sense"
My 'conservative' doctor who promised me "i know you like and IDENTIFY WITH your nose, won't be different" removed every natural piece of cartilage in my tip he could find, he lowered my high narrow bridge, shortened my nose and gutted my ethnic beautiful nose.
I trusted his words based on reputation and recommendations, and panicked the morning of surgery when he was getting upset I was asking so many questions re 'partial rhino' and what exactly would change, I signed, he saw my pics, knew I liked my look and nose, didnt want changes since I liked my nose and didn't want to look different. I only wanted to breathe.
Well the shock and horror to wake up to a shortened nose, lowered bridge, sutured and for some reason cap grafted tip is devastating. There was partial and nothing that was 'not different' about this nose.
I truly was not prepared nor seeking rhino, and the fact I had it is still shocking to me. I couldn't feel more stupid.
So as I search for revision, and am disgusted that I need rib reconstructive surgery to restore a nose I never wanted changed, fellowship directors and reputation mean nothing.
I desperately seek patients to speak only and ask a bazillion questions, and don't plan to make an uniformed panicked idiotic decision because a surgeon is getting annoyed the morning of surgery you won't sign consent. I will make sure someone is always with me and listens as well, and speak to as many patients as I can.
I didn't want the first nose job, I liked my nose. Being in a reconstructive surgery position now is miserable, humiliating, and the last place I want to be. But I have no choice. I really want to live my life again. and see myself when I look in the mirror.
I miss my face, I hope I can find that doctor to restore "me"....

for those of you that share pictures, stories, and experiences THANK YOU!!!
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