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Top Plastic Surgeon Botches Rhinoplasy, removes nose.

Top Plastic Surgeon Botches Rhinoplasy, removes nose.

Postby ericanase » Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:05 pm

I was going to see if anyone had been discussing this story: Top plastic surgeon botches patient's rhinoplasty, ends up removing entire nose http://gaw.kr/uMewb97

I was so sad to see this poor guy had had over 20 surgeries. I can't even begin to imagine how he has suffered.
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Re: Top Plastic Surgeon Botches Rhinoplasy, removes nose.

Postby bachi » Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:11 pm

What?! The doctor cut off his nose on purpose just so he would not be asked to do another revision? This is the reason patients should not go back to same doctor who messed up up their nose in the first place. That was my mistake.
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Re: Top Plastic Surgeon Botches Rhinoplasy, removes nose.

Postby MissJ521@aol.com » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:14 pm

ericanase wrote:I was going to see if anyone had been discussing this story: Top plastic surgeon botches patient's rhinoplasty, ends up removing entire nose http://gaw.kr/uMewb97

I was so sad to see this poor guy had had over 20 surgeries. I can't even begin to imagine how he has suffered.


The writer was misinformed. That's not a 'top' plastic surgeon. The guy is a cosmetic surgeon a type of doc that does not have same training as plastic surgeon.
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Re: Top Plastic Surgeon Botches Rhinoplasy, removes nose.

Postby poashley » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:34 pm

:shock: Absolutely tragic. He really shouldn't have gone to a cosmetic doctor though, especially considering his case, the "doctor" should take the full blame, regardless. Wow.
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Re: Top Plastic Surgeon Botches Rhinoplasy, removes nose.

Postby Revisionseeker » Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:57 pm

Wow. Psychopath alert.
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Re: Top Plastic Surgeon Botches Rhinoplasy, removes nose.

Postby herschel » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:33 am

MissJ521@aol.com wrote:The writer was misinformed. That's not a 'top' plastic surgeon. The guy is a cosmetic surgeon a type of doc that does not have same training as plastic surgeon.


What training does a cosmetic surgeon have? This guy is a former dentist.
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Re: Top Plastic Surgeon Botches Rhinoplasy, removes nose.

Postby Tuffluck » Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:08 am

Ironic how many surgeons seem to have serious mental illnesses or personality disorders; and yet they're quick to label their patients as having problems...
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Re: Top Plastic Surgeon Botches Rhinoplasy, removes nose.

Postby MissJ521@aol.com » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:49 am

herschel wrote:
What training does a cosmetic surgeon have? This guy is a former dentist.


eek. dentists (as group--not all of them of course) don't have high ethical levels to begin with. Years back in Readers Digest, there was an article where they found that only 30% of the dentists investigated gave ethically truthful assessments. The others resolved to looking for employment opportunities in people's mouth.

Don't know exactly what kind of training but not the same as a plastic surgeon and they are not in 'loop' as so far as keeping current with the information the boarded PS's come up with in their meetings. A cosmetic surgeon is just someone who has an MD (from something else). Sometimes, they have a background that really applies to doing plastic surgery like if they are a max-fax or an 'eye guy'. But often it's an MD that might not be in a field that gives a lot of background to do surgery to the face--like say a foot doctor--but still they can take some courses on that and get to be 'cosmetic surgeon'.

Anyway, the writer just got it wrong by calling the guy a "top plastic surgeon" as he is neither. Top plastic surgeons with a particular focus on aesthetics and who keep current with all the new advances from their peers are ASAPS members. Although you have your 'facial plastic surgeons' (which is different group), who for some of them have a good rep for noses and sometimes people like to select from that group, it would not be a good idea to choose a 'cosmetic surgeon' for a rhino if his background of other med training had little to do with that. It would be OK though to have a 'cosmetic surgeon' who also had training in eyes to do bleph work or something like that. With a 'cosmetic surgeon' you would want to look at what their background was to see how it could apply to what you want him to do.

The main problem and most PSs will agree with me is that anyone with an MD can legally do plastic surgery or 'cosmetic surgery' but they can't call themselves a "plastic surgeon". Hence, the writer should not have called him one.
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Re: Top Plastic Surgeon Botches Rhinoplasy, removes nose.

Postby Damsel » Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:40 am

Cuzalina did a Maxillofacial residency that awarded him an MD. This has become common and seems to be an effort by the American Dental Association to compete with ABMS Board Certification in Plastic Surgery. How? Read on. After completing that residency program, Cuzalina then went on to do a fellowship under the aegis of the American Board of Cosmetic Surgery with Dr. Howard Tobin of Abilene, Texas. Dr. Tobin, an otorhinolaryngologist who is deeply invested in the American Board of Cosmetic Surgery, fellows one of these Maxillo/MD's each year. Used to be they learned everything from rhinoplasty to tummy tucks and breast surgeries in that one year with him. Now, I believe, they have expanded it to 2 years to be certified by them as competent (?) to perform full body cosmetic surgery. Anyway, after his fellowship with Tobin, it appears Cuzalina was fast tracked to President of the American Academy of Cosmetic Surgery.
Looks like the emperor has no clothes.
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Re: Top Plastic Surgeon Botches Rhinoplasy, removes nose.

Postby MissJ521@aol.com » Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:58 am

That's part of problem with that Cosmetic Surgery board. As you say, they took him right after a residency in max fax which is not the same as a max fax who's been in practice for some time.

I hope the boarded plastic surgeons make a point of telling patients that the PRESIDENT of Academy for 'Cosmetic surgery' did something like this. The boarded PSs (including the facial plastics with the ENT background) already have issues with this Cosmetic surgery board.





Damsel wrote:Cuzalina did a Maxillofacial residency that awarded him an MD. This has become common and seems to be an effort by the American Dental Association to compete with ABMS Board Certification in Plastic Surgery. How? Read on. After completing that residency program, Cuzalina then went on to do a fellowship under the aegis of the American Board of Cosmetic Surgery with Dr. Howard Tobin of Abilene, Texas. Dr. Tobin, an otorhinolaryngologist who is deeply invested in the American Board of Cosmetic Surgery, fellows one of these Maxillo/MD's each year. Used to be they learned everything from rhinoplasty to tummy tucks and breast surgeries in that one year with him. Now, I believe, they have expanded it to 2 years to be certified by them as competent (?) to perform full body cosmetic surgery. Anyway, after his fellowship with Tobin, it appears Cuzalina was fast tracked to President of the American Academy of Cosmetic Surgery.
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Re: Top Plastic Surgeon Botches Rhinoplasy, removes nose.

Postby herschel » Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:34 pm

Damsel wrote:Cuzalina did a Maxillofacial residency that awarded him an MD. This has become common and seems to be an effort by the American Dental Association to compete with ABMS Board Certification in Plastic Surgery. How? Read on. After completing that residency program, Cuzalina then went on to do a fellowship under the aegis of the American Board of Cosmetic Surgery with Dr. Howard Tobin of Abilene, Texas. Dr. Tobin, an otorhinolaryngologist who is deeply invested in the American Board of Cosmetic Surgery, fellows one of these Maxillo/MD's each year. Used to be they learned everything from rhinoplasty to tummy tucks and breast surgeries in that one year with him. Now, I believe, they have expanded it to 2 years to be certified by them as competent (?) to perform full body cosmetic surgery. Anyway, after his fellowship with Tobin, it appears Cuzalina was fast tracked to President of the American Academy of Cosmetic Surgery.
Looks like the emperor has no clothes.
Politics and $$$'s.


A dental fellowship cannot grant you a medical degree. At some point, he had to attend medical school and pass USMLE. Perhaps his MD stands for something other than medical doctor? His web-site has a very long bio; no mention of medical school or residency that I saw.

Scary.
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Re: Top Plastic Surgeon Botches Rhinoplasy, removes nose.

Postby MissJ521@aol.com » Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:41 pm

Here is the persons u tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpoAtzSagvg

Just noted an update to the article that said what I was saying initially which was that the writer should not have called that guy a "plastic surgeon":

"UPDATE:

Dr. Robert M. Menard, Clinical Associate Professor of Plastic Surgery at Stanford University School of Medicine, sent in this statement to clarify that, despite being addressed as such in every news article about this incident, as well as in Thakkar's lawsuit, Dr. Cuzalina is not technically a plastic surgeon but a cosmetic surgeon:

In order to be a Board Certified Plastic Surgeon, certified by the American Board of Plastic Surgery so that you can identify yourself as a Plastic Surgeon, you have to undergo both General Surgery and Plastic Surgery training, with most programs lasting at least 7 years, followed by both written and oral examinations, which have a 25% failure rate on average. The person mentioned in your article is an oral surgeon, and should not be identified as a Plastic Surgeon, as this is a tremendous slight against those of us who have completed the proper training and are trained to correct the train wreck that is now this man's nose, which in all likelihood should never have gotten to that point."
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Re: Top Plastic Surgeon Botches Rhinoplasy, removes nose.

Postby Damsel » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:04 am

Several Oral/Maxillofacial residency programs offer optional MD tracts. At the end of training in such a program the resident is awarded an MD, as in Medical Doctor.
However, should a graduate of such a program desire to apply to an ACGME accredited Plastic Surgery residency, they must first complete two additional years of General Surgery in order to qualify.

"An educational program in oral and maxillofacial surgery approved by the American Dental Association is an alternative pathway for prerequisite education prior to a plastic surgery residency. This pathway is available only to those individuals holding a DMD/MD or DDS/MD degree. This education also must include a minimum of 24 months of progressive responsibility on surgical rotations under the direction of the general surgery program director after receipt of the MD degree. Rotations in general surgery during medical school, prior to receiving the MD degree, will not be considered as fulfilling any part of the 24-month minimum requirement".
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Re: Top Plastic Surgeon Botches Rhinoplasy, removes nose.

Postby herschel » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:52 am

Damsel wrote:Several Oral/Maxillofacial residency programs offer optional MD tracts. At the end of training in such a program the resident is awarded an MD, as in Medical Doctor.
However, should a graduate of such a program desire to apply to an ACGME accredited Plastic Surgery residency, they must first complete two additional years of General Surgery in order to qualify.

"An educational program in oral and maxillofacial surgery approved by the American Dental Association is an alternative pathway for prerequisite education prior to a plastic surgery residency. This pathway is available only to those individuals holding a DMD/MD or DDS/MD degree. This education also must include a minimum of 24 months of progressive responsibility on surgical rotations under the direction of the general surgery program director after receipt of the MD degree. Rotations in general surgery during medical school, prior to receiving the MD degree, will not be considered as fulfilling any part of the 24-month minimum requirement".


Hi,

Your response addresses how one - who already has an MD degree - gets from a fellowship in maxillofacial surgery into a plastic surgery residency; it does not address your claim that "Several Oral/Maxillofacial residency programs offer optional MD tracts. At the end of training in such a program the resident is awarded an MD, as in Medical Doctor." Would you provide a link that substantiates this?

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Re: Top Plastic Surgeon Botches Rhinoplasy, removes nose.

Postby MissJ521@aol.com » Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:27 am

I think I know (but don't have a link) what she's saying in the first paragraph.

I think an "optional MD tract" would refer to someone with a dental degree (DMD) not having to go back to medical school to get an MD and they have the option to get an MD by being a max fax resident.

With a max fax, they first have to attend dental school and get the DMD and then later become a resident to become a max fax surgeon. Like they don't start off by going to medical school. They start off by going to dental school. However, I don't know if there are some resident programs that allow them to get the MD quicker than the more rigorous 4 year program mentioned on the link below.

http://www.aaoms.org/theoms.php



herschel wrote:
Damsel wrote:Several Oral/Maxillofacial residency programs offer optional MD tracts. At the end of training in such a program the resident is awarded an MD, as in Medical Doctor.
However, should a graduate of such a program desire to apply to an ACGME accredited Plastic Surgery residency, they must first complete two additional years of General Surgery in order to qualify.

"An educational program in oral and maxillofacial surgery approved by the American Dental Association is an alternative pathway for prerequisite education prior to a plastic surgery residency. This pathway is available only to those individuals holding a DMD/MD or DDS/MD degree. This education also must include a minimum of 24 months of progressive responsibility on surgical rotations under the direction of the general surgery program director after receipt of the MD degree. Rotations in general surgery during medical school, prior to receiving the MD degree, will not be considered as fulfilling any part of the 24-month minimum requirement".


Hi,

Your response addresses how one - who already has an MD degree - gets from a fellowship in maxillofacial surgery into a plastic surgery residency; it does not address your claim that "Several Oral/Maxillofacial residency programs offer optional MD tracts. At the end of training in such a program the resident is awarded an MD, as in Medical Doctor." Would you provide a link that substantiates this?

Thanks
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