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Hi, went for a consult for a revision rhino with Dr Mooney - he is an ENT specialist and told me he does the most rhinos of any doctor in Australia each year at approx 200. But I've never seen any feedback on any board from someone who has been to him - good or bad ...
Has anyone been to him or heard anything about him at all???
He said his primary revision rate is approx 6-7% but his revision rate on secondary rhinos is 16-17% ... is this normal or unusually high??
BTW I rang Dr Frankel's clinic in the US as he is meant to be a secondary guru and his office told me his revision rate on revisions is also approx 18% - sounds really high to me! What do you think??
Sorry but i haven't heard any feedback on this ENT. I've heard good things about Dr Pincock, Dr Nettle and Dr Marcells. I feel that Dr Frankel would be spending much more of his time fixing badly botched noses (performed elsewhere). People fly in to see US surgeons like Frankel from all over the world. People don't fly here from Europe/US/UK to see our rhino surgeons. No disrespect to our medical specialists here, but the very bad cases are referred straight to the revision guys in the US. So when you look at rates of revision.....it's not a fair comparison. Even with primaries, Dr Frankel would be working on a much bigger mix of challenging ethnic noses like African American, Mexican, Asian, Middle Eastern, etc. These noses are harder to deal with and they are exposed to more of these on a weekly basis in the US. If I hear anything about this doc, I'll be sure to pass it on! I remember looking at him for my revision, but couldn't get any feedback on him, so I didn't end up booking a consult.
Thanks Riley - what you say makes a lot of sense. Where did you go? To the US? I guess I'm still a bit worried that if something goes wrong with Dr F he makes you pay 33% again for a revision of a revision but some other doctors will charge nothing. Also if it goes wrong you have to fly all the way over again to fix it ...
No worries! Yep, I went to the US. A Brisbane plastic surgeon that I consulted with about revision rhino was honest enough to say we just don't have really experienced surgeons here in Australia doing revision noses all the time, especially if you need rebuilding with rib like I have. It's different maybe if you haven't had enough taken off during primary and you have more rasping to do. But extensive grafting often requires a trip to the US. however there are patients who've had good revision results with DR Marcells and Dr Nettle.
Dear Noseay Just to let you know that I had a revision rhino with this surgeon and it was disastrous. Unfortunately, I did not know enough about revision back then and the importance of thoroughly researching your surgeon or how complicated revision rhinoplasty was. I also, unfortunately, completed trusted this surgeon and did not think for a second anything would possibly go wrong. He did not 'listen' to what I wanted or to what I did not say. I even took in pictures of noses I liked but we were obviously not on the same page from the start. He was also only meant to fix a certain other surgeons mistakes and not completely alter my nose as I was really happy with the tip of my nose. What should have been a fairly simple surgery with not too many changes ended up being a complete botch up with excessive cartilage removed and a tip that was overly refined. I have been left looking and feeling 'very ugly'. Sorry, I can't remember now if you are after revision or primary. If it is revision, you should definitely consider the States as the Australian surgeons do not have the expertise in this area, particularly when it comes to using grafting material. And you definitely wouldn't want any surgeon using gortex, silicone or medpore as it can become infected over time . Tobias Pincock is apparently a perfectionist so I would recommend him. Lovely guy. Dr Richard Sackeraliou seems good too. Unfortunately I now will need rib grafting and so I will be flying to the States this month for consults. Hope this helps you and good luck
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Pinklily thanks so much for your reply - it is a revision that I'm after and so now I won't use him.
I did like the aesthetics of the images he showed me but I do understand where you are coming from when you say that he wasn't really listening to what you were saying and I did get the sense he might make up his own mind without hearing what I wanted myself.
Where are you going to get consults in the US if you don't mind me asking?
Also, thanks Riley for your reply too and do you mind me asking where you went and whether you are really happy now?
Hi Noseay I am going to see Dr Thomas Le in Baltimore on the 1st Dec and then flying across to Tuscon, Arizona to see Dr Frederick Menick. If Menick will do my surgery I will definitely go to him regardless. His record is completely clean with not a single negative post.I believe I will be in safe and good hands with Menick. Please check out his website. His work is nothing short of miraculous and outstanding. I think so anyway. Le apparently does have a few dissatisfied patients but then there are others who sing his praises. If you need rib grafting I would consider Menick, Gruber or Le. Dean Toriumi is supposedly one of the best with rib too, but there are so many botched up patients out there so be careful. If you don't need rib, then your options are far greater I am sure. I have been researching from the day after my surgery with Mooney because I could tell straight away he botched me up. It has been 21 months now, so take the time and do as much research as you can. There were many times when I thought I had found a good surgeon, then I would research further and discover lots of bad reviews about them. People are also paid to write up positive reviews on bad surgeons. I only discovered this later. Please don't rush into anything. It isn't worth it. All the best and have faith. Can't wait for this to be over.
Sounds like good advice and thanks for letting me know who you are seeing. What have you heard about Frankel? Any reason why you aren't considering him?
Honestly I have no idea whether I need rib grafting! How would I tell?? My problem is that the surgeon made my nose too short, and now it looks wide and flat compared to my old nose. My nostrils are now two complete different sizes and also, he removed a minor bump on my bridge but now there is like a small depression/hole there ... I think he was supposed to have pushed the nose bone together at the bridge to avoid the hole and make it look slimmer but I don't know for sure - I really don't know anything about the surgery techniques like the rest of the people on this site ...
I have just gone back to Frankel's website and I haven't considered him because from the photos I assume he likes very refined, thin noses. I prefer a slightly wider tip, cute nose. For that reason I haven't researched him at all so don't have any input. I forgot to tell you that before I decided to have my surgery in the US, I went to numerous surgeons here for consults and Nettle was one of them. When I asked to see photos of his revision work where patients needed grafting material, he told me to search the internet as there were hundreds of photos available on the net I was gobsmacked!!! In other words, he could not show me any photos of his own work. He was very condescending. I wouldn't go to a surgeon who can't show you photos. It sounds like you will need your nose tip rebuilt. If you have only had one surgery I am sure you will have plenty of septal cartilage for building up the tip. People who need rib or ear cartilage usually have very little septal cartilage left. You may be lucky as septal cartilage is the preferred cartilage to use and if you are in the right surgeons hands you should have a successful surgery with no downsides
I was looking over your site and have found the information on many topics extremely helpful, however I have just come accross this post and wanted to let you know that I in fact had my surgery with Dr William Mooney and am over the moon with the results.
I had been questioning whether or not to go ahead with my rhinoplastyrevision for over a year. I had consulted with 2 of the surgeons you have mentioned and one other that you did not and ended up proceeding with Dr Mooney.
I am more than pleased with my result, I did not have a great deal of confidence in surgeons after my first surgery and Dr Mooney put my mind at ease and now my results are exactly what I was wanting. It did take me a good 2 months before I saw my final result. Swelling and bruising took me 2 weeks to subside and then another 4-6 weeks before I really saw my results.
I would recommend Dr Mooney to anyone considering a rhinoplasty or revision surgery.
Beth, That is great you had a positive outcome. I guess you are extremely lucky and he was having a good day? However, concerning myself, he reduced my nose by at least 60%. The length was reduced which didn't need to be and my nose is too short now and so small for my face. It is quite scary. I can't think of anything more traumatic than seeing your face in the mirror for the first time after surgery and realizing your surgeon has removed almost all your tip cartilage when it was never even requested in any of the consults prior to surgery and was never a concern. If he thought his aesthetics were more suitable for my face, it should have been discussed in detail prior to surgery with morphs and I should have been informed as to how many mm exactly he would be chopping off. I will absolutely not be recommending this surgeon to anyone.
Beth You became a member of MMH at 8.11pm, read through several topics and made this post by 8.23pm. I am surprised you were researching rhinoplasty if you have had such a positive outcome from your surgery. I wouldn't even be on these boards researching the topic if I had a successful surgery and was happy. Forgive me for being suspicious, but just saying.
Anyone who is even thinking of going to Dr Mooney, DON'T. His carelessness has made my life miserable for the last three years. He doesn't listen, he is forgetful and he makes changes without even consulting you. He should not even be practicing. After three surgeries (two with him and one by another surgeon to fix his many errors), my nose still looks crap, it is scarred on the nostrils and just under the tip. I can't stand looking in the mirror and not a day goes by when I don't curse the day I went in to his office. If I can at least help others by sparing them the same fate, at least something good would have come out of it. Don't allow Mooney anywhere near your nose.
William Mooney Is the worst surgeon on the planet. Messed up my nose. Messed up my blephs (eye lids) and my mums. My nose looks like a koalas nose. Do not go to him. I need a revision but am so scared to trust another surgeon. Any advice welcome.
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