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I am a 20 year old male who wants to look more feminine.

I am a 20 year old male who wants to look more feminine.

Postby e3323 » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:31 pm

Hi. I have posted in a few forums...so some of you may know me ....for those of you who dont...

I am a 20 year old male who wants more feminine facial features. HOWEVER, i do NOT want to be a woman, i am happy with my gender.

This is something I am very serious about, and have wanted for a long time.

Here Is my picture:

http://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... 052dl1.jpg

I am the male on the right. Sorry about the picture....it was taken at a convetion and i dont have a very good digital camera so this picture will have to do for now.

As you can see I have a huge, wide, and over projected nose. I also have a heavy, low, and promanant brow. These are the two features i want changed the MOST. I want the nose smaller and more feminine. I also want my brow ridge shaved down and the brow lifted. Also i probabily will get surgery around the eye (my eyelids are too hooded and i already have bags under my eyes....)

Do you think after i get all that done that i will be androgynous or do you think theres another facial feature thats masculine on my face?

Its very hard to find a surgeon who does brow ridge shaving (also known as orbital rim conturing)....know of any surgeons who will do this?

Also im thinking about getting this done in thailand where its cheaper. Alot of transexual males go there to look like women. So my logic is if someone can make a man look like a woman, they can make a man look androgynous/more feminine. Also its cheaper in thailand. Has anyone here had surgery overseas? What was your experience? What did you get done and what was your cost? also if you know anyone who's gotten surgery over-seas, fee free to tell me everything you know about their experience.
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Postby azzurraskye » Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:18 pm

Hi,

I think you already have a babyface... maybe your nose and eyebrow bone is not babyface when you look at it in detail, but overall you have a very soft face. your lips and skin give you very soft features. also your hair. and i think the fact that your nose is not sharp or pointy adds to the overall look. you don't need to get plastic surgery to look more feminine. if you want to look more *feminine* you can pluck your eyebrows or so. you already look soft and the way you want to look.

this is just my opinion. of course i don't know what you want to achieve with your new look and why you want to look feminine. or do you just mean looking soft and babyface-ish? you already have that look, trust me.

i am a 24 year old female and i wanna look more feminine ;)
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Postby e3323 » Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:01 pm

azzurraskye wrote:Hi,

I think you already have a babyface... maybe your nose and eyebrow bone is not babyface when you look at it in detail, but overall you have a very soft face. your lips and skin give you very soft features. also your hair. and i think the fact that your nose is not sharp or pointy adds to the overall look. you don't need to get plastic surgery to look more feminine. if you want to look more *feminine* you can pluck your eyebrows or so. you already look soft and the way you want to look.

this is just my opinion. of course i don't know what you want to achieve with your new look and why you want to look feminine. or do you just mean looking soft and babyface-ish? you already have that look, trust me.

i am a 24 year old female and i wanna look more feminine ;)


I want to look feminine to the point whee im androgynous.

Here's an example of how feminine i want to look:

http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... 234zt5.jpg

I know i wont be able to look like him but i hope i can look as feminine as him.

but i'll need alot of surgery to do so. I might go to thailand to get this done. So few surgeons in the U.S. do brow ridge shaving, which is one of the things i'll need. Ether way i want to get this done as soon as possible. Im aiming for the summer of 2008.
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Postby beeguy » Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:04 am

e3323.....i'm trying to decide if this post is for REAL....didn't look like a current photo especially the girl[very large glasses colored in tatoo's....if this is real...i actually looking at photo you do look on the feminine side already...long hair full lips etc......why at such a young age would you want surgery anyway.......
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Postby e3323 » Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:55 am

beeguy wrote:e3323.....i'm trying to decide if this post is for REAL....didn't look like a current photo especially the girl[very large glasses colored in tatoo's....if this is real...i actually looking at photo you do look on the feminine side already...long hair full lips etc......why at such a young age would you want surgery anyway.......


First of all im not sure what you mean by "not real"....but ether way i can guarentee you EVERYTHING I have said I am serious about if thats what you mean. And also the picture is real too...it was taken at a convention and the girl is my cousin.....and um...she's not "coverd in tattoos...she does'nt even have any...someone signed her chest if thats what you are talking about, but thats it.

Also theres alot of reasons I want this surgey. First off i have a huge nose ....i've been sensitive about that since i was very young. Also i have a very low brow...and combined with my eye area i ALWAYS look tired no matter HOW much sleep i get. I hate haveing deep set tried looking eyes i want my eyes to look large, rounder, and more alert...and this can be accomplished by a brow lift, brow ridge shaving and full eyelid surgery.

I have always wanted to look more feminine, i admire how androgynous males (like the one i posted in my second post on this thread) look. So im going to persue this look...but its going to require said surgery...haircuts and cloths can only do so much...in fact they dont really do much at all IMO.
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Postby beeguy » Thu Dec 27, 2007 8:42 pm

e3323...i apologize if this is for real...looking at your photo again sorry but i do not see a lg nose or lower brow i truely do think you look fine...DONOT start a long series of surgeries.....just my thought!
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Postby DCNGA » Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:20 pm

It's your life and you can choose to look any way you like. But, my advice would be to wait until you are a few years older, for a few reasons.

Boys continue to grow and change in their early 20's. So, while you won't likely grow more "feminine" looking, your looks may change to a point that you would want or need less surgery, if you go that route.

You will be hard put to find a REPUTABLE and ETHICAL doctor to do the kind of surgery you want, at your age. A good doctor knows that what you want at this age, may be vastly different than what you may want five years from now.

I know that you won't take to heart too much of what I'm saying, but I've lived a whole lot longer and feel like every five years from the time I was 20 until I was 45 what I wanted, felt and thought changed radically. As I've gotten older, that does not happen so much any longer.

I've had a brow lift myself, it did make me look "brighter" (I'm female) and was a good procedure for me at the age at which I had it. At your age I did not need it, of course. You may or may not need it. Five years from now you may not want it.

Give yourself time. Research. Go on several consults. Run from the first PS who willingly and eagerly wants to perform this type of surgery on you at your current age.

Also, and finally, there are considerable risks with PS and not minor ones. There's a risk of nerve damage, paralysis, scarring, and a plethora of other possible bad outcomes, the least of which is death. All I'm saying, is you have time to make such a big decision and what you want today, you may not want in a few years. The good part is, if you do want to do this in a few years, you will likely be able to find a doctor who will be more willing to do it on you as you get older.

Good luck.

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Postby kc79 » Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:52 am

I think you look beautiful the way you are....I wouldn't change a thing. I know that hearing this from me won't change your mind...but I just wanted to throw my two cents in. And I also agree with the previous post of changing your mind as you get older. I am 28 right now...but things that I wanted and desired when I was 20 and even 25 have dramatically changed. Just something to think about. I wish you the best with whatever you decide!

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A beautiful feminine face is a wonderful thing

Postby vanessamiken » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:12 am

HI there,
the other person told you the best American Dr's for facial feminization. I went & saw Dr O in San Fran..He does beautiful work.
If you google..facial feminization lots of people's websites will pop up..
Also many other transexual references & support systems..Knowledge is power..Educate yourself as to a. what you want for yourself & why..(if you're clear on your purpose you won't need others opinions as to 'what they think you need) b.There are 3 different types of forehead
re-constructions..depending on how thick you brow it..a panoramic xray will determine which one you need. A brow lift, or brow lift with advancement (lowering the hairline..more feminine) may or may not be needed. Re the fingerwagging lady with the many risks & warnings list.
Of course there are always risks, however as long as you have a board certified PS who has been doing the surgery you're wanting for many years & you are young & healthy (the younger & healthier the better)
the chances are very slim that you will have complications.
c. Dr. O has been in the biz of making faces more feminine for more than 20 years, & he does a wonderful job. I
Its only a couple of $$ for an appointment. Why not go for a consult & get his opinion..Ask to see some of the very many before & after photos of his patient he has in the computer..really beautiful work
d. There;s a tran lady who you can send your pixs to, & for about $40 or $50 she will make the changes needed to your face digitally & send you back the before & after pixs in only a few days so you have actual pixs of where you're going.
e. Thailand..I lived there for 2 years when I was a teenager. There is one great facial feminization Dr. there
Dr. Suporn. He, like Dr. O does really lovely work..he does a combination of mathametical proportions for a feminine face plus his artistic feelings of what you would need. You can send him some clear pixs & an outline of your thoughts & he will send you back his professional opinion & a financial quote..I don't remember his website..search for him
under Dr Suporn Thailand. His prices used to be (about 5 yrs. ago) about 1/4 of what they are in the USA..now they are pretty much equal with here...approx $30.000 for the whole face..brow, nose, jaw chin..depending on what you need.
This will set you on the right pathway for your goals..I really enjoy MMH (I'm looking to get lipo & fat transfer to my 'almost JLo butt' & stumbled on this section by mistake)..I read that this site is for "support" & informations..ie. we share our knowledge & experience with each other.
However, some of the responses to your enquiry re feminizing your face seemed silly..just peoples opinions..the easiest thing in life to get "unasked for opinions"..Young & old are relative..It came through to me quite clearly that you know what you want..YOu just needed some information & direction so you can get it..
MY only 'unasked for opinion' on your quest is "YOu only get one face this lifetime" Research everything thoroughly..Sucess is 99% planning, & 1%
luck"...Even if you have to wait longer than you want to, save up for the next few years or whatever buy the best..
Good Luck on your Quest..A beautiful face is the golden fleece.
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Postby FromLA » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:33 pm

My God, You are gorgeous- be careful!
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Postby FromLA » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:34 pm

My God, You are gorgeous- be careful!
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Postby MissJ521@aol.com » Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:39 pm

Sounds as if what you are seeking is "facial feminization surgery" or FFS.

It's usually a prelude to SRS "sexual re-alignment surgery" for those wishing to change all of their gender characteristics as in TG; trans gender or TS trans sexual.

Even if you found a doctor conversant in doing facial femme surgery who would do it in absence of your wanting to make the entire transformation, all you would get out of it is a less masculine 'you' or a more 'feminine' looking 'you' which I guess could be a more 'androgynous' looking YOU.

However, a more androgynous looking YOU is NOT going to translate or transform into the Asiatic paradigms as you present as your 'ideal' or what you find as the type of "feminine" you're aiming at.

Even if you found a face femme doc willing to perform a surgery to make YOUR face a less masculine YOU, if he thought your expectation of that was to look like the Asiatic figure you presented, you would be booted out the door in a heart beat

Again, the limitations of face femme surgery is that it aims at making the person a LESS masculine or MORE feminine version of THEMSELVES. What you are requesting is effectively a HEAD TRANSPLANT and no one does that.
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Postby MissJ521@aol.com » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:25 pm

e3323 wrote:Here's an example of how feminine i want to look:

http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... 234zt5.jpg

I know i wont be able to look like him but i hope i can look as feminine as him.

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You CAN'T use an Asian male face that has been feminized to provide an example of how you want your face feminized. You just CANT do that. This is because there are anthropomorphic measures that describe the Asian male face and the Asian female face and some of the measures lend themselves to changes that are doable in making a transformation from male to female.

The Caucasian male face and the Caucasian female face have statistically different anthropomorphic measures from the Asian face. Those type of measures or ratios are (or should be) referred to when planning out a FFS. But it results in the Caucasian male measures being changed to the Caucasian female measures (as much as POSSIBLE). If the brow ridge is even more prominent than the 'norm' of the average Caucasian male, you might not even get an average Caucasian female 'norm' from the surgery. It could still be within male measures and certainly NOT within Asian female measures. That would require slicing of a section of the FRONTAL LOBE of the brain to reduce it that much.

The challenge to the Caucasian male face is often the overjetting brow ridge. Like there is only so much they can shave that down before some sinus cavities are opened or before you get too close to where the BRAIN is protected by the bony skull. The Asian male face does not have that particular challenge because and over jetting brow ridge is NOT part of the anthropomorphic or anthropometric measures associated with the Asian bone structure. Although the bone structure might even be more 'absolutely' forward than it is in the Caucasian male, the rest of the bone structure is also forward so all looks relatively level or 'flat' from the side.

All they have to do is raise the brows somewhat to feminize and maybe pronounce out cheeks more. With the jaw area, the characteristic common to Asian males is a low dropped down well articulated posterior jaw angle. That part is SNIPPED OFF at a different angle to give a more "V" type contour to the face as to feminize it. Not to mention that noses tend to be more recessed and flatter. Something else that can make it easier to femme a male Asian face. That and the high cheekbones are there already in many cases.

What I'm saying is that IF you were an ASIAN MALE, it would not be that hard to transform your face into that of an ASIAN FEMALE. But you can't go from Caucasian male to Asian female.

The most you could hope for is looking like a Caucasian female who has some 'male' characteristics if you pursued this type of surgery.

You don't START with ANY Asian characteristics--NONE--NOOLA--ZILTCH and you would not end up with any of them either even if you got face femme surgery. Your paradigm model (feminine looking Asian male) started with Asian male traits that were changed to more female. You bear NO relation to his possible start point.
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Postby mrstorres » Sat Nov 08, 2008 11:48 pm

i think you are REALLY attractive. i cant stop looking at you. good luck with your procedures. shape your brows and post a pic so we can see the difference. i am sure it is huge!
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Postby Aphreal » Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:23 pm

I am not one to be harsh but I might as well say what I think. You are a beautiful young man. I wouldn't change a thing about you. The pic you shared as your idea looks like a young girl. NOT a feminine male. I had to look again and I just can't see anything but *girl*

You are so young. I think you should enjoy life for all it has to offer and wait. You may regret later what you do today and with all due respect, you are still learning who you are at 20. Wisdom comes with age and experience. Wisdom to make such changes. Don't mess with your face. It's gorgeous just like it is and it already IS a soft feminine face.

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