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Desperate for help with LEG wrinkles!

Desperate for help with LEG wrinkles!

Postby Scoobs93 » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:38 pm

Hi all!

I'm new here and hope someone can give me good advice for this. I have done things like tanning (indoors and outdoors) and smoking for years, not to mention birth control pills which make you photo sensitive. However, I am only 38 and the wrinkles on my legs look worse than some 80 and 90 year olds I've seen! I'm not kidding either! There's so many people out there who have done just what I have, but their legs don't have this aging effect. I would say it's also hereditary, but no one in my family is cursed with this. In the last 2-3 years I've noticed a rapid change for the worse.

The problem started in my mid-late 20's on the inner part of my calf. If I'd cross my legs with my ankle resting on my knee you could see "chicken skin" in that area. The problem is now everywhere from the knee down (leathered cross-hatching everywhere), but I now have horribly deep, verticle wrinkles on the front of my legs. Now I'm noticing chicken skin on the fronts of my upper legs. My legs aren't even soft anymore below the knee except in the summer months when I'm wearing lotion. Lotion in the winter doesn't seem to make a big difference, just a little.

I have the problem elsewhere too. I have some deep verticle wrinkles on my chest, which gets sun too much even with sunscreen. My hands don't look too good anymore, and I'm getting more lines around my eyes and mouth.

At this point, I don't think Retin A would do much good for my legs, or would it? I know you can't see what I'm talking about to know how severe this is for my age, but I'm thinking I need something more intense to try and rectify the damage. There are all sorts of things out there now for the face, neck, chest and hands, but what about the rest of the body?

I'd really like to know if anyone else has, or had this problem and what they did for it. Or just any suggestions. Would a peel be good? Do they do dermabrasion or microdermabrasion on legs? I've only seen it for the face, chest, and hands. Any type of surgery? Lasers? Any new procedures out there?

I'm most interested in something noninvasive because I'm afraid of scarring, but I'm interested in any suggestions right now!

Also, if I can get any of these procedures done, will I permanately lose pigment in my skin? Will I ever be able to go out in the sun or tanning bed ever again? I like to have some color, as most of us do! I tan dark, but am very pale when not tanning. I have used self tanners, but hate the uneven look they can give and they can be a pain to keep up with. If that's what I have to do though, I will. I'm desperate at this point. I have nice legs other than this wrinkling skin. I think I'm the only one who's noticed so far, but it's gotten so prominant that I think wearing shorts this summer will be less than usual for me. People usually think I'm younger than I really am, but my legs are decades ahead of my time!

I'm going to a dermatologist soon for a couple milias on my face and will also be asking them for advice. I'm also going to a plastic surgeon in the near future to ask them as well, but in the mean time I'm open to any suggestions from you all and any personal experiences!

Please help!

Thank you!
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Postby Gayla » Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:36 pm

Definitely see what the Derm says, (have you been yet?) Just some thoughts, but I don't see why doing a series of peels could hurt. And then get on some kind of maintence. Others here can probably advise on that issue. And yes, Retin A can be used arms, legs, face, neck, chest. My Dr. says it is one of the best things you can use on your skin,

But, I CAN tell you one thing with absoulute certainty; do not even THINK about doing any suntanning at ALL! :shock: You've done sooo much damage to your skin already, and you certaintly would only make your skin look worse, and if you did get it better looking it's all for nothing.

You should be wearing a sunblock in an effort to keep any sun exposure at bay. Sorry if that's what you don't want to hear, but your skin will continue to go downhill if you keep doing what you are now, and I guarantee your Derm would tell you the same thing.

If you're only 38 now, you will truly dread the way you would look at 48.
Start now to really take care of your skin. :)
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Postby Claire63 » Mon Apr 17, 2006 8:33 pm

The tanning is what has ruined your skin. Free radicals form whenever your skin is exposed to UV light without protection. The free radicals are unstable molecules that hurt your DNA (think skin cancer)and also hook into your collagen layer to stabilize themselves (think thin, brittle, inflexible collagen layer). This is why you are getting the thin, crepy look to your skin.

How about changing to a mystic tan routine or self-tanners? You can reverse sun damage to some extent. The most effective product is Retin-A but using it in large body areas could be expensive. It also takes about 6 months to show results. BUT it is very effective at reversing sun damage. PubMed has lots of info on tretinoin (retin-a).

Vitamin C is necessary for collagen synthesis. It also is an antioxidant so it will act like a sponge and "soak up" the free radicals before they damage your skin. Again, considering the bottle size of most C products and the areas you are talking about, it could be quite expensive to use. And, like the Retin-A, would be needed to be used on a daily basis.

There also have been studies that have shown regular use of sunscreen and staying out of the sun will help to give your skin the break it needs to repair itself. Though this will take time, your skin can repair itself a fair extent. Of course, even a little unprotected tanning will put you right back to square one.

Before Coco Chanel made tanning popular, it was considered a sign of wealth and good heritage to have milky-white skin. And, skin cancer was not an epidemic. Great clothing designer but bad skincare example.
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Postby Gayla » Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:16 am

You explained it a lot better than I did, but that's what I meant. :)

You can get creative with the Vit. C serum and make it yourself for pennies, using KY Ultra gel and L Ascorbic acid, and the Retin A, you could just use on the worst places to save money. You can also think about ordering it from one of the online pharmacies pretty reasonable.

I wouldn't think of being without my Retin A!

It just makes me cringe seeing all the young girls crowding all the tanning salons, they have no idea what they are doing to their skin.

My SIL is 60 and looks great, EXCEPT for her skin, and you cannot convince her the reason her skin looks so bad is tanning, she just won't listen, and keeps doing it! But she moans and complains about it constantly.

My Derm says people like her keeps her doing a brisk business!

O.k., I'll get off my soapbox now! :mrgreen:

Claire63 wrote:The tanning is what has ruined your skin. Free radicals form whenever your skin is exposed to UV light without protection. The free radicals are unstable molecules that hurt your DNA (think skin cancer)and also hook into your collagen layer to stabilize themselves (think thin, brittle, inflexible collagen layer). This is why you are getting the thin, crepy look to your skin.

How about changing to a mystic tan routine or self-tanners? You can reverse sun damage to some extent. The most effective product is Retin-A but using it in large body areas could be expensive. It also takes about 6 months to show results. BUT it is very effective at reversing sun damage. PubMed has lots of info on tretinoin (retin-a).

Vitamin C is necessary for collagen synthesis. It also is an antioxidant so it will act like a sponge and "soak up" the free radicals before they damage your skin. Again, considering the bottle size of most C products and the areas you are talking about, it could be quite expensive to use. And, like the Retin-A, would be needed to be used on a daily basis.

There also have been studies that have shown regular use of sunscreen and staying out of the sun will help to give your skin the break it needs to repair itself. Though this will take time, your skin can repair itself a fair extent. Of course, even a little unprotected tanning will put you right back to square one.

Before Coco Chanel made tanning popular, it was considered a sign of wealth and good heritage to have milky-white skin. And, skin cancer was not an epidemic. Great clothing designer but bad skincare example.
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Postby Scoobs93 » Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:33 am

Thank you for the replies so far. I am definately interested in trying the Retin A.

Gayla: I saw your post for the vitamin c recipe, but I'm not familiar with L Ascorbic acid. What is it, and where do I find it?

Also, I went to one derm prior to posting here, but I was very disenchanted with her bedside manner! :evil: She was not informative at all! I basically went for a few milias I had on face...I have a few on one cheek and what appears to be one by my tear duct. I didn't know what they were and was concerned. She did not even tell me what she thought they could be, and only said that usually something like that is harmless and I shouldn't worry about it! I literally had to pry any kind of info out of this woman! When I stressed my concern for the one by my eye, she decided to give it a second look. That's when she said I should maybe have a biopsy done on that one (even though it looks exactly the same as the others), but she didn't feel confident enough working so close to my eye and would refer me to someone else. When I questioned her more about it, she basically told me that which ever other doctor I go to could answer my questions about it! She also said she would prescribe me Retin A if I desired, when I inquired about it for my skin. Needless to say, I just left the office and decided to go to another derm who comes recommended next time! I would have been very preturbed if I had to pay the whole 100 bucks for that worthless office visit versus the $20 copay...which even that ticked me off, since it was for nothing.

My aunt works for a derm but is booked up through May, which is why I didn't go there first. I'm going to make an appointment this week and am convinced it will be worth the wait since my aunt works there. She's the one who had to tell me what the milias were! She also had not heard of the derm I went to, but did know the docs she referred me to and said they were good. She was pretty surprised when I told her about the bad experience I had.

Back to the original topic though, I've read about Fraxel lately and how it can be used anywhere on the body. I'm sure it would be expensive for use on both entire legs. Anyone know about the results I could get and/or a ball park price range for that?

Thanks again, and please keep the suggestions coming!
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Postby Gayla » Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:19 am

Scoobs93 wrote:Thank you for the replies so far. I am definately interested in trying the Retin A.

Gayla: I saw your post for the vitamin c recipe, but I'm not familiar with L Ascorbic acid. What is it, and where do I find it?

Also, I went to one derm prior to posting here, but I was very disenchanted with her bedside manner! :evil: She was not informative at all! I basically went for a few milias I had on face...I have a few on one cheek and what appears to be one by my tear duct. I didn't know what they were and was concerned. She did not even tell me what she thought they could be, and only said that usually something like that is harmless and I shouldn't worry about it! I literally had to pry any kind of info out of this woman! When I stressed my concern for the one by my eye, she decided to give it a second look. That's when she said I should maybe have a biopsy done on that one (even though it looks exactly the same as the others), but she didn't feel confident enough working so close to my eye and would refer me to someone else. When I questioned her more about it, she basically told me that which ever other doctor I go to could answer my questions about it! She also said she would prescribe me Retin A if I desired, when I inquired about it for my skin. Needless to say, I just left the office and decided to go to another derm who comes recommended next time! I would have been very preturbed if I had to pay the whole 100 bucks for that worthless office visit versus the $20 copay...which even that ticked me off, since it was for nothing.

My aunt works for a derm but is booked up through May, which is why I didn't go there first. I'm going to make an appointment this week and am convinced it will be worth the wait since my aunt works there. She's the one who had to tell me what the milias were! She also had not heard of the derm I went to, but did know the docs she referred me to and said they were good. She was pretty surprised when I told her about the bad experience I had.

Back to the original topic though, I've read about Fraxel lately and how it can be used anywhere on the body. I'm sure it would be expensive for use on both entire legs. Anyone know about the results I could get and/or a ball park price range for that?

Thanks again, and please keep the suggestions coming!


The Ascorbic acid is just plain old Vit, C in powdered form. You can get it at some pharmacies, health food stores, sometimes Walmart etc.. Make sure it says L Ascorbic, not just Ascorbic. :)
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Postby planeart » Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:10 pm

Hi there, I may not have the same severity you do (although you may think it looks worse than it does) but here's my story. I did some major sunbathing as I was growing up and got lots of burns. I am 42 and was left with dried crepey skin on the front of my thighs as well as lots of brown spots and just dry looking skin everywhere on my legs. YUK! I do kickboxing and my legs are ok looking as well but look old and gross esp. with the spots.

I decided to do a peel. Started with a 50% glycolic. Nothing. Did a Jessner's. Nothing. Did a Jessner's immediately followed by a 20% TCA. It took FOREVER to peel. I actually got so frustrated and was exfoliating and shaving my legs like mad just to get the stupid peeling to start. But... my legs feel so good now. The crepiness is so much better and they actually feel like real, soft skin all the time!! I will never go out in the sun to tan again. BTW, I am using the Hawaiian Tropic moisturizing lotion and I love it. Its a more gradual tan and I am hoping it won't dye my spots.

I will be doing these peels forever b/c I feel there is a real difference. e-mail me if you want any more details.

Good Luck,

Brooke
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Postby planeart » Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:39 am

Oh yeah, forgot to say; I make my own Vit C serum as well. I ordered a large amount of L-ascorbic acid from personalformulator.com and make a weekly recipe with glycerin and distilled water. I'll find you the recipe if you like.

I also ordered 3 tubes of .05% Retino-A (retin-A) from this website:

http://www.inhousepharmacy.com/skin-care/retino-a.html

The price was only 45$ US for 3 tubes and it seems to be the real thing. Its working great and is made by a Johnson & Johnson Co. in India. Very happy with the company, shipping etc.... It came very quickly and I love the savings and ease of ordering.

I also make my own Hyaluronic Acid serum as that is such an awesome moisture retaining aspect of skincare. I apply it before a moisturizer and it is great.

I do all of these things b/c I absolutly cannot afford to purchase commercial brands to put on such large areas of my body!! (chest, arms, legs) Also, why pay so much when you can make basic things yourself? I like the "freshness" of DIY stuff as well. That is not to say I don't purchase a ton of other stuff as well! I am addicted!

HTH,

Brooke
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Postby Scoobs93 » Mon May 08, 2006 11:36 am

:) This information makes me hopeful. I appreciate the help.

Brooke, I'm sending you a PM to get more info on your regimine!

Thank you!
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Re: Desperate for help with LEG wrinkles!

Postby ariake » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:58 pm

i also have been battling this problem. your legs sounds like mine and for the same reason...too many years of tanning.
i am looking for any help with this i use retin a on my face but on my legs would be ridiculously expensive. i now stay out of the son and use cream tanners and mystic tan....but the wrinkles and loose skin look awful. i hate wearing shorts and really don't wear them any more except knee length ones.
any help would be appreciated it.
thank you
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Postby carol9387 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 10:07 am

Claire63 wrote:The tanning is what has ruined your skin. Free radicals form whenever your skin is exposed to UV light without protection. The free radicals are unstable molecules that hurt your DNA (think skin cancer)and also hook into your collagen layer to stabilize themselves (think thin, brittle, inflexible collagen layer). This is why you are getting the thin, crepy look to your skin.

How about changing to a mystic tan routine or self-tanners? You can reverse sun damage to some extent. The most effective product is Retin-A but using it in large body areas could be expensive. It also takes about 6 months to show results. BUT it is very effective at reversing sun damage. PubMed has lots of info on tretinoin (retin-a).

Vitamin C is necessary for collagen synthesis. It also is an antioxidant so it will act like a sponge and "soak up" the free radicals before they damage your skin. Again, considering the bottle size of most C products and the areas you are talking about, it could be quite expensive to use. And, like the Retin-A, would be needed to be used on a daily basis.

There also have been studies that have shown regular use of sunscreen and staying out of the sun will help to give your skin the break it needs to repair itself. Though this will take time, your skin can repair itself a fair extent. Of course, even a little unprotected tanning will put you right back to square one.

Before Coco Chanel made tanning popular, it was considered a sign of wealth and good heritage to have milky-white skin. And, skin cancer was not an epidemic. Great clothing designer but bad skincare example.


Thanks for providing such great information. I really like your post and it's really helpful. :-)
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